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Present: Paul van Dijk ( Special Guest from !SurfSara), Jozef Misutka, Krista Liin, Sander Maijers, Willem Elbers, Dieter Van Uytvanck, Martin Matthiesen (minutes)

# Agenda #

## Adoption of the agenda ##

We added the last point about the status of the Clarin IdP to the agenda.

## Aaggreg (30 min, Jozef) ## 

Short presentation of https://lindat.mff.cuni.cz/services/aaggreg/

Discussion.

Decision: We agreed that Jozef offers this to all SPF SPs.

Martin to test this, also Bergen. The tool is considered important moving forward.


## Attribute Release: Sustainable interfederation trust (all, 35 minutes) ##

### Known problems ###

This mostly concerns eduGAIN but also the SPF in certain countries.

* Legal: Differing interpretations of laws
* Resources: Required technical changes require expertise, time. Mistakes can lead to downtime for existing services.
* Priorities: Requests for Attribute Release from Clarin concerns often only a small number of local users.
* Services: Chicken/Egg problem: Internationalisation of existing SPs has limited return of investment.

### Approaches to overcome problems ###

* SPF: Works well in some countries, less so in others. At least we have the same problems than national SPs.
* Individual connect: takes from 1 day to 2 months, sometimes countless emails. Does not scale.
* Lobbying national federations. Helped somewhat.
* Lobbying eduGAIN. There is still discussion in eduGAIN whether eduGAIN should and can help here.
* Developing services regardless of problems, using Clarin IdP as fallback.

### Discussion points ###

AAI discussions often take place in settings where people present have limited possibilities of making changes happen. How can we overcome this?

* Contacting IdPs higher up in the hierarchy, supported by requests from users.
* We will keep in touch with Paul.

## Migration of Clarin IdP (Jozef, 25 minutes) ##

LDAP endpoint ready, dockerized, integrated with Clarin services.

Testing instance in development.


# Action points #

* Jozef to publish aaggreg to SPF.
* Martin will implement it and try to make it compatible with the Attribute Checker.

[wiki:../? Follow-up meeting]