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15                                <p>Family Life and Work Experience Before 1918, 1870-1973</p>
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21                        <u xml:id="q-1641e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1">If I could ask you when you were born?</u>
22                        <u xml:id="q-1741e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="2">Kings College Mews.</u>
23                        <u xml:id="q-1841e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="3">I see, when was it?</u>
24                        <u xml:id="q-1941e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="4">1887.</u>
25                        <u xml:id="q-1a41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="5">And what did your father do?</u>
26                        <u xml:id="q-1b41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="6">My father was, well really a navvy. And he worked on these houses in Wadham Gardens, Harley Road, this top end. And when we were children we used to go round and pick up firewood. For fires. Yes.</u>
27                        <u xml:id="q-1c41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="7">How many were there in your family?</u>
28                        <u xml:id="q-1d41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="8">In my time, 9.</u>
29                        <u xml:id="q-1e41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="9">9 children?</u>
30                        <u xml:id="q-1f41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="10">Yes.</u>
31                        <u xml:id="q-2041e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="11">How many rooms had you?</u>
32                        <u xml:id="q-2141e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="12">3.</u>
33                        <u xml:id="q-2241e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="13">It must have been a bit of a squash.</u>
34                        <u xml:id="q-2341e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="14">Well it was a squash, in those days. Yes, of course the rents was different those days.</u>
35                        <u xml:id="q-2441e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="15">How much were you paying?</u>
36                        <u xml:id="q-2541e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="16">Best I recollect my mother paying was 7/6d. Yes.</u>
37                        <u xml:id="q-2641e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="17">She hadn't any help?</u>
38                        <u xml:id="q-2741e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="18">In the home, no, no.</u>
39                        <u xml:id="q-2841e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="19">She managed by herself in this house. It was actually this house was it, where you were?</u>
40                        <u xml:id="q-2941e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="20">Not in this house, we've moved from one house to another. As the family got larger, then of course mother moved about.</u>
41                        <u xml:id="q-2a41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="21">I see.</u>
42                        <u xml:id="q-2b41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="22">We were in No. 10. Then we went to 13. I think my mother stayed there when we broke away from home, marrying, you know.</u>
43                        <u xml:id="q-2c41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="23">She moved up and down on one row of houses?</u>
44                        <u xml:id="q-2d41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="24">Mother died there. And Father died there. 'Course they were a good age, I can't remember their ages.</u>
45                        <u xml:id="q-2e41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="25">Whereabouts were you in your family? Were your brothers and sisters older or younger or what?</u>
46                        <u xml:id="q-2f41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="26">Some were older than me and some, I got 1, 2, 3, younger than me.</u>
47                        <u xml:id="q-3041e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="27">3 younger, then it would be 5 older, wouldn't it?</u>
48                        <u xml:id="q-3141e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="28">Yes.</u>
49                        <u xml:id="q-3241e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="29">Had you a kitchen, bedroom and living room, then?</u>
50                        <u xml:id="q-3341e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="30">Yes.</u>
51                        <u xml:id="q-3441e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="31">What sort of a kitchen was it?</u>
52                        <u xml:id="q-3541e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="32">The kitchen was a fairly big kitchen. Very convenient really, a sink.</u>
53                        <u xml:id="q-3641e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="33">You had your meals there?</u>
54                        <u xml:id="q-3741e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="34">Oh yes. We had our meals there, yes.</u>
55                        <u xml:id="q-3841e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="35">How many beds were there?</u>
56                        <u xml:id="q-3941e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="36">Oh, now you have asked me something. 4. My eldest sister was away from home early, because she went into service. Cos there wasn't the room you see.</u>
57                        <u xml:id="q-3a41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="37">What did your other brothers and sisters do?</u>
58                        <u xml:id="q-3b41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="38">Well, my eldest brother, in my days was a policeman.</u>
59                        <u xml:id="q-3c41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="39">Oh, that's unusual.</u>
60                        <u xml:id="q-3d41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="40">Yes, and he died in Kent. And the second brother, well I don't know what to say he was, anything in the building line. Then the third brother, he was a navvy and he worked on this electric line that runs through into Chalk Farm. When they built that.</u>
61                        <u xml:id="q-3e41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="41">How about your sisters?</u>
62                        <u xml:id="q-3f41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="42">Well 1 sister was at home, she used to go out to daily work.</u>
63                        <u xml:id="q-4041e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="43">Domestic work?</u>
64                        <u xml:id="q-4141e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="44">Yes. Quite. Yes.</u>
65                        <u xml:id="q-4241e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="45">Was your father's a steady job or was he sometimes out of work?</u>
66                        <u xml:id="q-4341e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="46">Oh out of work very often. Well they couldn't work in the winter you see in those days. Very often out of work.</u>
67                        <u xml:id="q-4441e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="47">How did you manage then as far as money went?</u>
68                        <u xml:id="q-4541e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="48">Well, I don't - we just existed. Because there was no money coming in. When we were young we had to go out to work, doing like, such as milkrounds, helping, in those days of course it was milk cans and churns, and we used to be out in the morning on a milk round, or perhaps a paper round and - we had to help mother see. And if we were lucky in regards to pocket money, if father was not at work we never got any but if he was at work well we might get a halfpenny we might get a penny. And we thought the world of it.</u>
69                        <u xml:id="q-4641e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="49">What would you spend it on?</u>
70                        <u xml:id="q-4741e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="50">We could get ha'porth of sweets, or go in the baker shop and ask if they had got a stale cake for a halfpenny or penny.</u>
71                        <u xml:id="q-4841e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="51">Were there actually shops near here then?</u>
72                        <u xml:id="q-4941e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="52">Oh in King’s College Road, yes. But of course some of the shops, like not only my mother, a good many more, the expenses was too much for their pockets although they weren't so dear as now, but we used to have to make way for Queens Crescent.</u>
73                        <u xml:id="q-4a41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="53">For cheaper shopping, or Camden Town.</u>
74                        <u xml:id="q-4b41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="54">Markets?</u>
75                        <u xml:id="q-4c41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="55">That's right, yes. And we had to walk .. There were no buses in those days.</u>
76                        <u xml:id="q-4d41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="56">It's a long way!</u>
77                        <u xml:id="q-4e41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="57">It was. Buses never run up Adelaide Road in those days. The horse buses used to stop at Chalk Farm. Then we got to walk, well we never rode because we couldn't afford it. And eventually buses got up to Eton Rise do they call it now? Or Eton Place, the public house. Yes, well they got as far as there. The horses. Of course when the motors began to come in well they extended. Yes.</u>
78                        <u xml:id="q-4f41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="58">How old were you when you started school?</u>
79                        <u xml:id="q-5041e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="59">When I started school? 5 years old. Yes.</u>
80                        <u xml:id="q-5141e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="60">Whereabouts was the school?</u>
81                        <u xml:id="q-5241e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="61">Well, I went to Winchester Road, for a while, (5 miles away) St. Paul’s. Then I broke away from there and went to All Souls School in Fairhazel Gardens. (further away)</u>
82                        <u xml:id="q-5341e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="62">Why did you move?</u>
83                        <u xml:id="q-5441e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="63">Well the teacher was a bit severe. Yes. In fact really put fear into you. The headmaster. Oh he was, very strict. Yes. Of course I broke away from there see. But most of the others went to St. Paul's School, finished there.</u>
84                        <u xml:id="q-5541e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="64">Was it a fairly big school in those days?</u>
85                        <u xml:id="q-5641e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="65">St. Paul's? No, same as it’s now. In fact not so big. Because that front has been added to it. That wasn't there not in my days.</u>
86                        <u xml:id="q-5741e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="66">Did you enjoy school?</u>
87                        <u xml:id="q-5841e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="67">Well yes, I can't say, I didn't. Course we had women teachers down at All Soul's School.</u>
88                        <u xml:id="q-5941e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="68">They weren't as strict?</u>
89                        <u xml:id="q-5a41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="69">No. Not quite so strict.</u>
90                        <u xml:id="q-5b41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="70">Did you prefer it at All Soul's.</u>
91                        <u xml:id="q-5c41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="71">Oh yes. Definitely yes.</u>
92                        <u xml:id="q-5d41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="72">How far away is it? How many minutes walk?</u>
93                        <u xml:id="q-5e41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="73">Well, for me now, in those days you could do it in 7 minutes.</u>
94                        <u xml:id="q-5f41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="74">Not too far then.</u>
95                        <u xml:id="q-6041e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="75">No. Oh no.</u>
96                        <u xml:id="q-6141e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="76">You would have lunch at home then would you?</u>
97                        <u xml:id="q-6241e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="77">Oh yes. There was no school meals in those days. No. No.</u>
98                        <u xml:id="q-6341e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="78">Had you any school outings at all?</u>
99                        <u xml:id="q-6441e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="79">Well not really, the only outing we used to get, well you might get one from Sunday School and our Band of Hope, which was down here, we might get taken on Primrose Hill and we used to think the world of it, for an outing. And if funds were better we might go to Chorley Wood.</u>
100                        <u xml:id="q-6541e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="80">Where is that?</u>
101                        <u xml:id="q-6641e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="81">Well, I don't know what county that comes in really. Whether it comes in Middlesex -</u>
102                        <u xml:id="q-6741e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="82">Which Sunday School did you go to?</u>
103                        <u xml:id="q-6841e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="83">St. Paul’s. Yes. We used to go to Sunday School in the morning and after we had had the prayers and that we used to go onto the Church, St. Paul's, in Avenue Road. Of course that is not there now. That got bombed. Yes.</u>
104                        <u xml:id="q-6941e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="84">Were your parents interested at all in Church or Chapel?</u>
105                        <u xml:id="q-6a41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="85">They weren't. But they saw that we went. Yes. Yes. They weren't non-religion, I don't mean that, well they couldn't, mother was too busy you know.</u>
106                        <u xml:id="q-6b41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="86">Was your father interested in politics at all?</u>
107                        <u xml:id="q-6c41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="87">No, no. My father, really couldn't read. In their days, schooling, well they didn't learn. Mother used to read the paper to him.</u>
108                        <u xml:id="q-6d41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="88">Which paper did you have?</u>
109                        <u xml:id="q-6e41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="89">Oh I can't recall that. I should think - I don't know, no I can't say. Of course we weren't allowed to read a newspaper. No.</u>
110                        <u xml:id="q-6f41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="90">Why not?</u>
111                        <u xml:id="q-7041e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="91">I don't know. My old people didn't believe in it. No.</u>
112                        <u xml:id="q-7141e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="92">Had you any books in the house?</u>
113                        <u xml:id="q-7241e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="93">Books? No. No. I remember the days when, going on to Swiss Cottage now, when there used to be chickens running about there. In the yard, do you know the Swiss Public House? Well in their yard was a stables, saddle house as they called them, well then they used to keep chickens in there. And they used to run out in Finchley Road and Avenue Road, that was round, in Avenue Road where the old horse cabs, the hackney carriages, well of course the chickens used to get out there for the food.</u>
114                        <u xml:id="q-7341e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="94">It seems incredible doesn't it now?</u>
115                        <u xml:id="q-7441e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="95">It does. It wouldn't do now would it?</u>
116                        <u xml:id="q-7541e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="96">Not with all the traffic at Swiss Cottage.</u>
117                        <u xml:id="q-7641e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="97">Too true.</u>
118                        <u xml:id="q-7741e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="98">You said that you had a Band of Hope down here.</u>
119                        <u xml:id="q-7841e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="99">Yes. That was our Band of Hope.</u>
120                        <u xml:id="q-7941e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="100">Who organised it?</u>
121                        <u xml:id="q-7a41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="101">Well it was run by a man called Mr. Salmon. And of course he had 1 or 2 friends and they were always together. And we used to go to the bottom of the news here and sing and he'd pray, and sometimes on King’s College Road.</u>
122                        <u xml:id="q-7b41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="102">How often?</u>
123                        <u xml:id="q-7c41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="103">Every Sunday and once in the week. Yes.</u>
124                        <u xml:id="q-7d41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="104">Like on your photograph. Obviously lots of people went.</u>
125                        <u xml:id="q-7e41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="105">Yes, oh yes. They are mainly all dead and gone now of course. Oh yes, lot's of people went and the horse, there used to be the horse cabs down here and somebody, if the cab men were here, in the week, they used to join in. But there was no Sunday work here. No. Not in regards to the cabs going out.</u>
126                        <u xml:id="q-7f41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="106">Were they the Mews people who went?</u>
127                        <u xml:id="q-8041e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="107">Oh yes. We was all one happy family. Oh yes. And there used to be some outsiders too come. Yes. From the place out of the Mews what was, I don't know if they are still there or not, there was a Mews, I haven't been out for a long while, not around that way. Been rebuilt of course.</u>
128                        <u xml:id="q-8141e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="108">What other families were there all down this road?</u>
129                        <u xml:id="q-8241e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="109">What were they worth?</u>
130                        <u xml:id="q-8341e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="110">No, what were they, what sort of jobs?</u>
131                        <u xml:id="q-8441e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="111">All different, well, they were all sorts. Milkmen. Gardeners. My uncle here was a chimney sweep. And my, well all sort of mixed up work, you know. There was a blacksmith down here. And there was also a builder’s shop. And a carpenter’s shop.</u>
132                        <u xml:id="q-8541e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="112">Quite a lot of things down a small road!</u>
133                        <u xml:id="q-8641e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="113">Oh yes.</u>
134                        <u xml:id="q-8741e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="114">They were very neighbourly were they?</u>
135                        <u xml:id="q-8841e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="115">Oh very, very, very neighbourly. Different to what things are today. One would help the other.</u>
136                        <u xml:id="q-8941e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="116">They would help out if you were out of work would they? Or ill?</u>
137                        <u xml:id="q-8a41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="117">Well of course there was illness of course. And if you was out of work or ill well there was no money coming in. No. There was none of this insurance business. If you was out of work, well, as I keep saying, nothing was coming in.</u>
138                        <u xml:id="q-8b41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="118">You did all these odd errands?</u>
139                        <u xml:id="q-8c41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="119">Yes, that's true, yes. And if you could get a job in the evening, course these houses in those days was one high family. You know, one house, one family. Horses and carriages. Maids, servants, you know. And if you could get a job in the evening, some of them would advertise for a boy to go and clean boots or silver, in the evening. We used to do that, if we could get a job.</u>
140                        <u xml:id="q-8d41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="120">Had you much spare time then? Or were you always a bit busy?</u>
141                        <u xml:id="q-8e41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="121">Well there was always, there was spare time, but as I say you hadn't money was so poor that you was glad to get what few pence you could.</u>
142                        <u xml:id="q-8f41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="122">What sort of games would you play?</u>
143                        <u xml:id="q-9041e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="123">Oh skipping rope, rounders, tippy cat - I don't know if you know that do you? No, well, there used to be a piece of wood on the ground, and you make a peg, and you get a stick and hit that tippy on the point.</u>
144                        <u xml:id="q-9141e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="124">I see.</u>
145                        <u xml:id="q-9241e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="125">How old were you when you left school?</u>
146                        <u xml:id="q-9341e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="126">Fourteen.</u>
147                        <u xml:id="q-9441e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="127">What was your first job?</u>
148                        <u xml:id="q-9541e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="128">Milkman. On a Milk round. In Belsize Lane, Hampstead.</u>
149                        <u xml:id="q-9641e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="129">How did you find that job?</u>
150                        <u xml:id="q-9741e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="130">Oh it was very good really. Of course it was early morning, well we was brought up to get up in the mornings. Not laying in bed. And father would never have, we weren't allowed out late at night. No. My father would never, perhaps we would mean like children used to, "Come on" he said "Bed. You can't burn the candle both ends no more than I can." That was his words. Yes.</u>
151                        <u xml:id="q-9841e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="131">Would you say that your parents were strict with you?</u>
152                        <u xml:id="q-9941e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="132">Well, I don't say, we had to do what we were told. Yes. But they weren't, what can I say, spiteful to us. Oh no.</u>
153                        <u xml:id="q-9a41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="133">Were they strict over manners at the table, that sort of thing?</u>
154                        <u xml:id="q-9b41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="134">Yes, very. Father -</u>
155                        <u xml:id="q-9c41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="135">What had you got to do?</u>
156                        <u xml:id="q-9d41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="136">As you sat at the table, at meals, you weren't allowed to talk over the table. No. If one would perhaps go on for a couple of seconds, father would say "You know where you are" of course we knew what he meant.</u>
157                        <u xml:id="q-9e41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="137">If you were naughty were you punished?</u>
158                        <u xml:id="q-9f41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="138">Well we were corrected. I can't say we were knocked about, we were corrected. Yes. You would get a smack and upstairs to bed. And no answering.</u>
159                        <u xml:id="q-a041e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="139">How did you like your first job?</u>
160                        <u xml:id="q-a141e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="140">Oh very good indeed.</u>
161                        <u xml:id="q-a241e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="141">Was it all right?</u>
162                        <u xml:id="q-a341e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="142">Yes, they were nice people. Very nice people.</u>
163                        <u xml:id="q-a441e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="143">Was it hard work?</u>
164                        <u xml:id="q-a541e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="144">No, medium.</u>
165                        <u xml:id="q-a641e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="145">How well paid was it?</u>
166                        <u xml:id="q-a741e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="146">How well paid? Oh I couldn't say. I don't know what I got. I think I got 12 shillings a week.</u>
167                        <u xml:id="q-a841e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="147">You gave your mother this did you?</u>
168                        <u xml:id="q-a941e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="148">Oh yes.</u>
169                        <u xml:id="q-aa41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="149">How much spending money had you?</u>
170                        <u xml:id="q-ab41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="150">Well I might get 18 pence or 2/-.</u>
171                        <u xml:id="q-ac41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="151">What would you spend it on?</u>
172                        <u xml:id="q-ad41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="152">Well. That depended of course on what you wanted. Course you see mother had to clothe us. And our boots and all that sort of thing. We couldn't buy it ourselves, well they couldn't give us the money to buy it.</u>
173                        <u xml:id="q-ae41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="153">What was your milk round like? About how long?</u>
174                        <u xml:id="q-af41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="154">Oh I stayed there I think, let me think where did I go from there? A two years.</u>
175                        <u xml:id="q-b041e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="155">What happened then?</u>
176                        <u xml:id="q-b141e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="156">Then I got another job, I am trying to think where I went to. I think it was on King’s College Road. A greengrocer name of Elliot. Of course that's gone long ago.</u>
177                        <u xml:id="q-b241e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="157">Was it helping in the -</u>
178                        <u xml:id="q-b341e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="158">In the shop, and taking out orders. Yes. Well that was the main thing, taking out orders. Course the men done the work.</u>
179                        <u xml:id="q-b441e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="159">You were still only a boy then?</u>
180                        <u xml:id="q-b541e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="160">Yes, what you might say shop boy. Yes. Yes.</u>
181                        <u xml:id="q-b641e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="161">Well then I finished there, if I remember right I got a job at the yard here, horse keeping. In the cab yard. Yes. And then, they used to give the horses, some of them, used to be, go out for a rest, well I used to ride horses from here to Hatfield.</u>
182                        <u xml:id="q-b741e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="162">That's a long way isn't it?</u>
183                        <u xml:id="q-b841e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="163">Yes. Horses, you know, needed a rest. Then if there was, perhaps I might take 2 or I might take 3. Ride one and tie the other. Well of course there wasn't the traffic that there is now, all horse traffic. And I may bring some back. If there were any to come back I would bring them back.</u>
184                        <u xml:id="q-b941e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="164">Who owned them?</u>
185                        <u xml:id="q-ba41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="165">A man named Mr. Kemp. Well he did have some in Eton Place too. Behind the Eton Hotel.</u>
186                        <u xml:id="q-bb41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="166">And were all those stables up and down here?</u>
187                        <u xml:id="q-bc41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="167">Oh yes. Both sides of the mews. The other side and that side was pulled down. And down the bottom. And right over the other mews.</u>
188                        <u xml:id="q-bd41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="168">Quite a big business?</u>
189                        <u xml:id="q-be41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="169">Oh yes, yes it was. He was a church going man. He retired to Northwood. Yes.</u>
190                        <u xml:id="q-bf41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="170">A good boss was he?</u>
191                        <u xml:id="q-c041e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="171">Oh yes, very good indeed. Yes. Yes. He never interfered unnecessary as long as the work was done. Yes.</u>
192                        <u xml:id="q-c141e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="172">How long did you stop doing that then?</u>
193                        <u xml:id="q-c241e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="173">Well then, I think I stopped, I can't say what year they finished mind you, until they sold up, on account of the taxis come in, of course, and took them over. It was a shame, yes.</u>
194                        <u xml:id="q-c341e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="174">What happened then?</u>
195                        <u xml:id="q-c441e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="175">I am trying to think that out now. Well then I went er, butchering. Yes.</u>
196                        <u xml:id="q-c541e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="176">That was quite different wasn't it?</u>
197                        <u xml:id="q-c641e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="177">Oh different altogether. Yes. But you soon got trained and used to it.</u>
198                        <u xml:id="q-c741e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="178">Why did you choose that?</u>
199                        <u xml:id="q-c841e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="179">Well it was the first job that come along, sort of thing. And Mr. Moore the Butcher, we were well-known, the family were well-known, and of course he offered me the job, and of course I took it on. But the money was poor, I can't recall the money mind you, I can’t recall but the money was so poor, we used to have to buy our own smocks and aprons. Well if you hadn't got the money due they'd buy them and stop you so much a week. Yes.</u>
200                        <u xml:id="q-c941e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="180">You learnt a trade then, more or less?</u>
201                        <u xml:id="q-ca41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="181">Pardon?</u>
202                        <u xml:id="q-cb41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="182">You learnt all about the -</u>
203                        <u xml:id="q-cc41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="183">The butchering? Yes, yes.</u>
204                        <u xml:id="q-cd41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="184">Whereabouts was the shop?</u>
205                        <u xml:id="q-ce41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="185">In King’s College Road. No. 8.</u>
206                        <u xml:id="q-cf41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="186">Not so far away?</u>
207                        <u xml:id="q-d041e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="187">No. Well then I, I think, that's coming back to the 14 war now. Er, we broke away, we knew that we had got to go and so we went from there and joined up. Of course we went in the army and all that. Well then when I came home, I was wounded, wounded in the stomach, and I used to do market work then. Before I went.</u>
208                        <u xml:id="q-d141e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="188">What was that? Which market was that?</u>
209                        <u xml:id="q-d241e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="189">Yes, an every day in the week market. And as I say well in those days we used to pull out of this yard here half past 3 in the morning and work till 8 o'clock at night.</u>
210                        <u xml:id="q-d341e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="190">You must have been dead beat!</u>
211                        <u xml:id="q-d441e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="191">Well yes. And work mind you, work. We all come home from market, we didn't all, there was t2 of us went to market, and we'd come home, unload, have breakfast then you'd got your rounds to do. In those days you used to go round and get orders. We used to carry a tray, a butcher's tray, on your shoulder, and they had ponies and carts also. You'd come back and do your lunch orders and get them, then round again with your, what they call dinner, late night orders. There was no such thing as half day a week. Oh no. The only early day you had was 5 o'clock on a Thursday night, you shut. On the Saturday we used to work same thing, if we had to go to market, but if we didn't go to market we started at 6 and you were lucky if you were done at 11 or 12 o'clock at night.</u>
212                        <u xml:id="q-d541e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="192">Gosh. I am surprised you stuck it!</u>
213                        <u xml:id="q-d641e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="193">Well it was the usual thing, I mean, you never looked, there was no such thing as thinking you shouldn't do this and you shouldn't do that. And of course in those days the public houses used to be open until mid-night, open all day also.</u>
214                        <u xml:id="q-d741e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="194">Funny isn't it?</u>
215                        <u xml:id="q-d841e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="195">Yes. Not that we were beer drinkers, not the family, because we hadn't got the money.</u>
216                        <u xml:id="q-d941e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="196">Had you any evenings off at all?</u>
217                        <u xml:id="q-da41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="197">No. Evenings off? No.</u>
218                        <u xml:id="q-db41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="198">Would you go out? Music hall or anything?</u>
219                        <u xml:id="q-dc41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="199">No, no. It would be very, very seldom. Then, we used to go to the Bedford, what they called the Bedford, in Camden Town. Yes. That was our main place. The music hall that was, wasn't it, yes, yes.</u>
220                        <u xml:id="q-dd41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="200">Was the Band of Hope for adults as well as children?</u>
221                        <u xml:id="q-de41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="201">Oh yes, yes. Everybody was welcome.</u>
222                        <u xml:id="q-df41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="202">You went after you started work?</u>
223                        <u xml:id="q-e041e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="203">Yes.</u>
224                        <u xml:id="q-e141e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="204">You still went on going?</u>
225                        <u xml:id="q-e241e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="205">Yes, yes.</u>
226                        <u xml:id="q-e341e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="206">And lived at home all this time did you?</u>
227                        <u xml:id="q-e441e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="207">Yes, oh yes. I married at 21.</u>
228                        <u xml:id="q-e541e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="208">I see. How did you meet your wife?</u>
229                        <u xml:id="q-e641e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="209">Well, just casual as the saying is, you know.</u>
230                        <u xml:id="q-e741e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="210">Where did she live?</u>
231                        <u xml:id="q-e841e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="211">Er, No. 3 King’s College Mews.</u>
232                        <u xml:id="q-e941e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="212">Oh I see. Straight across the road!</u>
233                        <u xml:id="q-ea41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="213">Yes. Of course she was here from 5 year old, and I lost her, she was 70-nearly 71. Oh without any warning. No illness. No illness at all.</u>
234                        <u xml:id="q-eb41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="214">You stayed here after you got married then did you?</u>
235                        <u xml:id="q-ec41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="215">Stayed in the neighbourhood, oh yes. Yes. We never went away.</u>
236                        <u xml:id="q-ed41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="216">Whereabouts did you move to?</u>
237                        <u xml:id="q-ee41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="217">Well we were in No. 8, to No. 9, you know, we moved about.</u>
238                        <u xml:id="q-ef41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="218">What was your first house like? One of these was one of the houses? How big was your first house, after you got married?</u>
239                        <u xml:id="q-f041e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="219">How big was the first house? Oh 3 rooms, they mainly consists of 3 rooms.</u>
240                        <u xml:id="q-f141e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="220">Have you any children?</u>
241                        <u xml:id="q-f241e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="221">I have a son and daughter. My son, he is a grandfather!</u>
242                        <u xml:id="q-f341e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="222">Goodness! You are a great-grandfather.</u>
243                        <u xml:id="q-f441e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="223">Yes. And I have a daughter. And my eldest daughter, well I lost her. She died when she was 19. Nice girl, nice girl.</u>
244                        <u xml:id="q-f541e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="224">Did your wife work at all after you were married?</u>
245                        <u xml:id="q-f641e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="225">Yes, she went out to daily work. Yes.</u>
246                        <u xml:id="q-f741e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="226">In these houses near here?</u>
247                        <u xml:id="q-f841e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="227">Well yes, she was thoroughly known. And a good worker.</u>
248                        <u xml:id="q-f941e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="228">That's the main thing isn't it.</u>
249                        <u xml:id="q-fa41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="229">Yes, she was thoroughly known. Well we were. Only she done a good many years in Fitzjohn's Avenue, she had a job there Mrs. Wilton. Yes, Mrs. Wilton. She was a Miss Dickens of Dickens and Jones, you know, before her marriage. They are all gone now.</u>
250                        <u xml:id="q-fb41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="230">Had you any holidays at all?</u>
251                        <u xml:id="q-fc41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="231">Holidays? No.</u>
252                        <u xml:id="q-fd41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="232">Did you ever get outside London.</u>
253                        <u xml:id="q-fe41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="233">Never not no distance. Course those days, holidays, in a butchers shop, you never got a Saturday off. No. And you never knew when you was going to get your holidays. He'd come to you, perhaps tonight, and say, if it is Saturday, have your holidays next week. There was no warning.</u>
254                        <u xml:id="q-ff41e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="234">So you couldn't?</u>
255                        <u xml:id="q-0042e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="235">Oh no. You see work was so short in those days and people were plenty, no back answers, they could say well you can go somebody will soon fall into your job.</u>
256                        <u xml:id="q-0142e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="236">Was your boss a decent man though by and large?</u>
257                        <u xml:id="q-0242e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="237">Yes, he wasn't a bad sort of man.</u>
258                        <u xml:id="q-0342e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="238">What about if you were off ill?</u>
259                        <u xml:id="q-0442e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="239">Well they gave way to you on that, yes. Of course there was no such thing as this ‘ere medical business what there is now.</u>
260                        <u xml:id="q-0542e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="240">How did you manage then?</u>
261                        <u xml:id="q-0642e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="241">Well just as best you could. My mother was, wasn't a bad, well my mother done a lot of maternity work. In fact she was pretty good in, you know.</u>
262                        <u xml:id="q-0742e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="242">I just want to ask you a little about when you were first married?</u>
263                        <u xml:id="q-0842e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="243">When I was first married?</u>
264                        <u xml:id="q-0942e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="244">You were 21?</u>
265                        <u xml:id="q-0a42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="245">Oh. 21 - yes. Now take that back.</u>
266                        <u xml:id="q-0b42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="246">Along way back?</u>
267                        <u xml:id="q-0c42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="247">Yes.</u>
268                        <u xml:id="q-0d42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="248">Your wife went out to domestic work?</u>
269                        <u xml:id="q-0e42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="249">Yes.</u>
270                        <u xml:id="q-0f42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="250">Did she work on from your wedding day right through?</u>
271                        <u xml:id="q-1042e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="251">Right through - yes, yes.</u>
272                        <u xml:id="q-1142e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="252">She didn't stop work?</u>
273                        <u xml:id="q-1242e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="253">No, not really, no</u>
274                        <u xml:id="q-1342e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="254">Did she go out every day?</u>
275                        <u xml:id="q-1442e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="255">Well, - bar Friday and Saturday - yes.</u>
276                        <u xml:id="q-1542e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="256">And what hours did she work?</u>
277                        <u xml:id="q-1642e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="257">Well - I should say about 6 hours a day really. Yes.</u>
278                        <u xml:id="q-1742e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="258">Did you approve of her working?</u>
279                        <u xml:id="q-1842e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="259">Well - a case of having to make ends meet. Yes.</u>
280                        <u xml:id="q-1942e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="260">How did she feel about the work?</u>
281                        <u xml:id="q-1a42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="261">Oh, didn't mind at all. No, no, oh no.</u>
282                        <u xml:id="q-1b42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="262">When you decided to get married did you in those days - did you go and ask her parents - were they living?</u>
283                        <u xml:id="q-1c42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="263">Well, you had to ask your parents for permission. Yes, oh yes.</u>
284                        <u xml:id="q-1d42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="264">Did you do it in a formal sort of way like a special request or did you just mention if casually to them?</u>
285                        <u xml:id="q-1e42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="265">No, I just mentioned it to them, yes, yes.</u>
286                        <u xml:id="q-1f42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="266">And did you go and speak to her family?</u>
287                        <u xml:id="q-2042e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="267">Her parents too - yes, oh yes.</u>
288                        <u xml:id="q-2142e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="268">Mother and father?</u>
289                        <u xml:id="q-2242e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="269">Yes.</u>
290                        <u xml:id="q-2342e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="270">They were both living?</u>
291                        <u xml:id="q-2442e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="271">Yes.</u>
292                        <u xml:id="q-2542e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="272">Did you save at all or wasn't that possible?</u>
293                        <u xml:id="q-2642e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="273">Well - we had saved - very little - very little.</u>
294                        <u xml:id="q-2742e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="274">There just wasn't anything over really?</u>
295                        <u xml:id="q-2842e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="275">No, oh lor' no - no.</u>
296                        <u xml:id="q-2942e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="276">But you both saved a little did you?</u>
297                        <u xml:id="q-2a42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="277">Just a little - what - if we could - if we could - yes.</u>
298                        <u xml:id="q-2b42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="278">And that was before you married?</u>
299                        <u xml:id="q-2c42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="279">Yes.</u>
300                        <u xml:id="q-2d42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="280">Where were you married?</u>
301                        <u xml:id="q-2e42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="281">At St Paul's - Avenue Road - yes.</u>
302                        <u xml:id="q-2f42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="282">And did you have a reception or party or anything?</u>
303                        <u xml:id="q-3042e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="283">Just a little party that was all - well you - one couldn't afford it - no.</u>
304                        <u xml:id="q-3142e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="284">Where was that held?</u>
305                        <u xml:id="q-3242e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="285">At - my peoples home – King‘s College Mews. Yes.</u>
306                        <u xml:id="q-3342e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="286">Not her people?</u>
307                        <u xml:id="q-3442e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="287">No.</u>
308                        <u xml:id="q-3542e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="288">Did you live at number 8 then when you married?</u>
309                        <u xml:id="q-3642e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="289">Yes, yes.</u>
310                        <u xml:id="q-3742e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="290">You moved to number 9 didn't you?</u>
311                        <u xml:id="q-3842e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="291">Yes, number - yes, that's right.</u>
312                        <u xml:id="q-3942e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="292">How long did you live in number 8?</u>
313                        <u xml:id="q-3a42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="293">In the Mews? 8. Well I should think - well now I don't - perhaps 4 to 5 years - yes.</u>
314                        <u xml:id="q-3b42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="294">And was your first child born there?</u>
315                        <u xml:id="q-3c42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="295">Yes. My son was born there - number 8 King’s College Mews. Yes.</u>
316                        <u xml:id="q-3d42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="296">And your first was a son was it?</u>
317                        <u xml:id="q-3e42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="297">Yes.</u>
318                        <u xml:id="q-3f42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="298">And the second?</u>
319                        <u xml:id="q-4042e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="299">No, I beg your pardon, my first was a daughter but I lost her when she was 19. Nice girl - bonny girl but - why she took T.B. we don't know but she did. We couldn't trace it back nowhere.</u>
320                        <u xml:id="q-4142e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="300">And she was your first?</u>
321                        <u xml:id="q-4242e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="301">Yes. Yes.</u>
322                        <u xml:id="q-4342e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="302">And after she was born did your wife go on working at all.</u>
323                        <u xml:id="q-4442e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="303">Oh yes, yes.</u>
324                        <u xml:id="q-4542e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="304">When the little girl was how old?</u>
325                        <u xml:id="q-4642e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="305">Well, month or 6 weeks old I expect - yes.</u>
326                        <u xml:id="q-4742e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="306">How did she manage then with the baby?</u>
327                        <u xml:id="q-4842e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="307">Well, somebody - a neighbour - would like after child se it was all right or me or my parents.</u>
328                        <u xml:id="q-4942e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="308">Did she take it to the neighbours house?</u>
329                        <u xml:id="q-4a42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="309">Yes, yes.</u>
330                        <u xml:id="q-4b42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="310">Would she pay the neighbour for looking after it?</u>
331                        <u xml:id="q-4c42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="311">Well, no they wouldn't take from one they knew one couldn't afford it.</u>
332                        <u xml:id="q-4d42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="312">They just did it as a kindness?</u>
333                        <u xml:id="q-4e42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="313">Yes. Yes.</u>
334                        <u xml:id="q-4f42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="314">And so was the baby bottle fed?</u>
335                        <u xml:id="q-5042e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="315">Yes. Those days - yes.</u>
336                        <u xml:id="q-5142e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="316">Did your wife work all her life?</u>
337                        <u xml:id="q-5242e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="317">Not really - no, no. When we began to get to 3 children well - was that.</u>
338                        <u xml:id="q-5342e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="318">She stopped then?</u>
339                        <u xml:id="q-5442e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="319">Yes.</u>
340                        <u xml:id="q-5542e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="320">But during the war years - the 1914 war - did she work then?</u>
341                        <u xml:id="q-5642e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="321">Not really - no, no.</u>
342                        <u xml:id="q-5742e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="322">And were you sent away during the war?</u>
343                        <u xml:id="q-5842e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="323">Oh yes.</u>
344                        <u xml:id="q-5942e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="324">Did you go abroad?</u>
345                        <u xml:id="q-5a42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="325">I went to France - went to Belgium - I got a son living in Belgium - lives in France I mean.</u>
346                        <u xml:id="q-5b42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="326">And your wife didn't work then while you were away?</u>
347                        <u xml:id="q-5c42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="327">No, no.</u>
348                        <u xml:id="q-5d42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="328">When she had your first child did your mother help her?</u>
349                        <u xml:id="q-5e42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="329">Oh yes, mother would help her.</u>
350                        <u xml:id="q-5f42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="330">At the birth?</u>
351                        <u xml:id="q-6042e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="331">Yes. My mother done the birth - yes. She used to do that work you see - yes.</u>
352                        <u xml:id="q-6142e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="332">It must have been nice for your wife that your mother helped her?</u>
353                        <u xml:id="q-6242e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="333">Yes, yes, she was - mother knew exact - you know, exact.</u>
354                        <u xml:id="q-6342e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="334">She would have confidence in her?</u>
355                        <u xml:id="q-6442e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="335">Oh yes.</u>
356                        <u xml:id="q-6542e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="336">Did she have a doctor as well?</u>
357                        <u xml:id="q-6642e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="337">Oh yes. Yes, always a doctor.</u>
358                        <u xml:id="q-6742e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="338">Do you remember how long she stayed in bed?</u>
359                        <u xml:id="q-6842e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="339">I think those days used to stay a fortnight - yes.</u>
360                        <u xml:id="q-6942e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="340">And did anyone help her with her work in the house at that time?</u>
361                        <u xml:id="q-6a42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="341">Well, there was always someone in the family who'd come and - you know.</u>
362                        <u xml:id="q-6b42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="342">She never had to worry about that sort of thing?</u>
363                        <u xml:id="q-6c42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="343">No. No.</u>
364                        <u xml:id="q-6d42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="344">Did she have brothers and sisters herself?</u>
365                        <u xml:id="q-6e42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="345">Er - well – 2 brothers - yes.</u>
366                        <u xml:id="q-6f42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="346">When you got your money what arrangements did you have - you know different people had different arrangements - did you give it to her or keep some of it back or what.</u>
367                        <u xml:id="q-7042e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="347">Oh I used to give the wife my wages - always yes, oh yes, yes.</u>
368                        <u xml:id="q-7142e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="348">And did she give you something back?</u>
369                        <u xml:id="q-7242e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="349">Yes, if she could afford it - yes.</u>
370                        <u xml:id="q-7342e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="350">But she saw to the spending?</u>
371                        <u xml:id="q-7442e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="351">That's right. Well, there wasn't much to go far - no.</u>
372                        <u xml:id="q-7542e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="352">But some people just give their wife a small amount …</u>
373                        <u xml:id="q-7642e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="353">Yes, and expect everything out of it.</u>
374                        <u xml:id="q-7742e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="354">When you had your first child did you do anything for the baby then?</u>
375                        <u xml:id="q-7842e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="355">Did I do anything? Not really - but I couldn't - not do much ……..</u>
376                        <u xml:id="q-7942e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="356">Because you were out all ……</u>
377                        <u xml:id="q-7a42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="357">That's right.</u>
378                        <u xml:id="q-7b42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="358">Did you ever take her out?</u>
379                        <u xml:id="q-7c42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="359">On a Sunday - usually take them out - Primrose Hill.</u>
380                        <u xml:id="q-7d42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="360">How did you transport her - in your arms?</u>
381                        <u xml:id="q-7e42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="361">No, in perambulator.</u>
382                        <u xml:id="q-7f42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="362">You had a pram?</u>
383                        <u xml:id="q-8042e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="363">Yes.</u>
384                        <u xml:id="q-8142e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="364">Did you and your wife talk about how to bring her up or did your wife just sort of know?</u>
385                        <u xml:id="q-8242e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="365">No, just left her alone - she -</u>
386                        <u xml:id="q-8342e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="366">Your wife did it?</u>
387                        <u xml:id="q-8442e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="367">Yes, yes.</u>
388                        <u xml:id="q-8542e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="368">If your wife wanted advice about her who would she go to?</u>
389                        <u xml:id="q-8642e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="369">Well, mother was very good - my mother - she - give her good advice - yes - the right advice too.</u>
390                        <u xml:id="q-8742e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="370">And your mother was still living nearby?</u>
391                        <u xml:id="q-8842e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="371">Yes, yes.</u>
392                        <u xml:id="q-8942e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="372">Did you ever manage to go out for an evening together?</u>
393                        <u xml:id="q-8a42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="373">Not really, no, time you'd done work you'd had enough - yes. Yes.</u>
394                        <u xml:id="q-8b42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="374">In those days when you first got married did you have the same kind of meals as you'd had before or did you have a bit more money to spend on food then?</u>
395                        <u xml:id="q-8c42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="375">No, was about the same.</u>
396                        <u xml:id="q-8d42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="376">Did your wife cook the same?</u>
397                        <u xml:id="q-8e42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="377">Oh yes, she was a good cook - she done all the cooking. Those days there wasn't the tinned food like there is now - no.</u>
398                        <u xml:id="q-8f42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="378">You didn't use tinned food at all?</u>
399                        <u xml:id="q-9042e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="379">No tinned food really - no. Only things I had - remember in tins - was sardines or condensed milk - Nestles milk.</u>
400                        <u xml:id="q-9142e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="380">Did you continue to keep the fowls after you were married?</u>
401                        <u xml:id="q-9242e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="381">Yes, for a while - yes.</u>
402                        <u xml:id="q-9342e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="382">Did you use them all yourselves or did you give some to your family?</u>
403                        <u xml:id="q-9442e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="383">Well, we spread them about really 'cos I got more than we could use and course eggs those days were very, very cheap - you know - cheap.</u>
404                        <u xml:id="q-9542e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="384">When you were a child living at home you told me how your mum used to get the pieces - the cheaper meat and cheaper fish - did your wife before you had the children did she also do that shopping?</u>
405                        <u xml:id="q-9642e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="385">Yes, well they had to you see, people hadn't got the money to do anything better. Our money wouldn't go.</u>
406                        <u xml:id="q-9742e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="386">So it didn't make much difference the fact that there was just the 2 of you?</u>
407                        <u xml:id="q-9842e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="387">No. Well, I was - I used to be this job for a while - butchering. Only for a while mind you - and then - you couldn't - you had to buy your own smocks and apron that you couldn't do it. The employer used to buy it and stop you so much a week.</u>
408                        <u xml:id="q-9942e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="388">You still had meat just about twice a week when you were married?</u>
409                        <u xml:id="q-9a42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="389">Yes, yes, yes.</u>
410                        <u xml:id="q-9b42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="390">Did your wife also make soup?</u>
411                        <u xml:id="q-9c42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="391">Yes. Yes, yes. We used to have what they called a stock-pot those days. Yes, yes. And make the best you could out of it sort of thing.</u>
412                        <u xml:id="q-9d42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="392">Using bones and this sort of thing?</u>
413                        <u xml:id="q-9e42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="393">Yes.</u>
414                        <u xml:id="q-9f42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="394">You said you used to go out with your children at weekends?</u>
415                        <u xml:id="q-a042e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="395">Yes.</u>
416                        <u xml:id="q-a142e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="396">What sort of places did you go to?</u>
417                        <u xml:id="q-a242e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="397">Well - we had walks I think I told you - sometimes it would be Chorley Wood.</u>
418                        <u xml:id="q-a342e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="398">And you'd take them with you?</u>
419                        <u xml:id="q-a442e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="399">Yes, oh yes, never left them behind.</u>
420                        <u xml:id="q-a542e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="400">When your wife had to leave the little girl to go out to work to make ends meet did she feel unhappy about it at all?</u>
421                        <u xml:id="q-a642e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="401">No, she knew they were in good hands you see - yes. Yes.</u>
422                        <u xml:id="q-a742e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="402">Because she knew them well?</u>
423                        <u xml:id="q-a842e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="403">Yes, oh yes.</u>
424                        <u xml:id="q-a942e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="404">Do you think it doesn't matter if children are left if they are in good hands like that?</u>
425                        <u xml:id="q-aa42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="405">Well, of today I think it's different - yes. To me people are not quite so homely. No. No.</u>
426                        <u xml:id="q-ab42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="406">You mean you could trust them more in those days?</u>
427                        <u xml:id="q-ac42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="407">Oh, absolutely - yes. Everyone those days was out to help one another - in our station of life - yes.</u>
428                        <u xml:id="q-ad42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="408">And in the mews were they all in your station of life?</u>
429                        <u xml:id="q-ae42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="409">Yes, all the same sort of people.</u>
430                        <u xml:id="q-af42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="410">You were all in the same boat?</u>
431                        <u xml:id="q-b042e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="411">Oh yes, yes, yes.</u>
432                        <u xml:id="q-b142e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="412">In other streets nearby were there people from other classes?</u>
433                        <u xml:id="q-b242e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="413">Oh well, they were a high class people you see, oh yes, all round here. See, I lived in the mews and all round here they were higher …..</u>
434                        <u xml:id="q-b342e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="414">There were grocers and things?</u>
435                        <u xml:id="q-b442e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="415">Yes, Claridges - one - one family one house - these big houses.</u>
436                        <u xml:id="q-b542e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="416">The people in those houses - did they expect you to behave in a certain way towards them?</u>
437                        <u xml:id="q-b642e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="417">Well, yes, in a way yes.</u>
438                        <u xml:id="q-b742e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="418">Because it's all changed now?</u>
439                        <u xml:id="q-b842e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="419">Oh very much - yes - very much.</u>
440                        <u xml:id="q-b942e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="420">When you were a child if they sort of passed by, were you expected to bow?</u>
441                        <u xml:id="q-ba42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="421">If you knew them - if you knew - well raise your hat to the ladies you know.</u>
442                        <u xml:id="q-bb42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="422">Show respect to them?</u>
443                        <u xml:id="q-bc42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="423">Oh yes. Yes.</u>
444                        <u xml:id="q-bd42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="424">And did your parents bring you up to do that?</u>
445                        <u xml:id="q-be42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="425">Oh yes, yes, yes.</u>
446                        <u xml:id="q-bf42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="426">Were you supposed to call them Sir and Madam?</u>
447                        <u xml:id="q-c042e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="427">Sir and Madam yes, oh yes.</u>
448                        <u xml:id="q-c142e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="428">Do you ever remember in those days anybody curtseying - did people curtsy then?</u>
449                        <u xml:id="q-c242e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="429">Oh I don't think so - not as I know of - no.</u>
450                        <u xml:id="q-c342e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="430">The children of those houses - did they ever play with the children in the mews?</u>
451                        <u xml:id="q-c442e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="431">Sometimes they'd mix - oh yes. Perhaps come down and have a game cricket or what we used to call rounders - you know - bat and ball or skipping rope.</u>
452                        <u xml:id="q-c542e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="432">Did you feel they were any different from you?</u>
453                        <u xml:id="q-c642e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="433">Not a bit - they didn't show it really - no - we all sort of mix in you know.</u>
454                        <u xml:id="q-c742e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="434">But you wouldn't have gone to the same school would you?</u>
455                        <u xml:id="q-c842e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="435">Oh no, no, no.</u>
456                        <u xml:id="q-c942e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="436">Was there a lot of dropping in - did neighbours call in a lot and that kind of thing in the home?</u>
457                        <u xml:id="q-ca42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="437">We used to be neighbourly of course had a look at one another. Used to be a visiting lady come round from the church I think once a week. Yes.</u>
458                        <u xml:id="q-cb42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="438">But you know how nowadays people entertain to tea and that kind of thing - in those days, did anyone do that or couldn't they afford the extra?</u>
459                        <u xml:id="q-cc42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="439">No, they couldn't afford it - no.</u>
460                        <u xml:id="q-cd42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="440">If a neighbour came in would she be offered anything at all to eat or drink?</u>
461                        <u xml:id="q-ce42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="441">Well, they never looked forward to anything.</u>
462                        <u xml:id="q-cf42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="442">It wasn't expected?</u>
463                        <u xml:id="q-d042e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="443">No, no, no. Or might ….</u>
464                        <u xml:id="q-d142e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="444">Would people call in for a chat sometimes?</u>
465                        <u xml:id="q-d242e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="445">Yes. It might be a cup of tea but nothing more. No.</u>
466                        <u xml:id="q-d342e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="446">What sort of time of day would people come in?</u>
467                        <u xml:id="q-d442e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="447">Well, in the morning, really, if mother was in or it might be the afternoon you see. All depend - or it might even be the evening - yes.</u>
468                        <u xml:id="q-d542e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="448">Would this happen quite often?</u>
469                        <u xml:id="q-d642e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="449">Not really - occasionally, you know.</u>
470                        <u xml:id="q-d742e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="450">You mean people helped each other but it didn't mean a lot of coming and going?</u>
471                        <u xml:id="q-d842e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="451">No, no. No, no. No.</u>
472                        <u xml:id="q-d942e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="452">In those days did people talk much about having friends?</u>
473                        <u xml:id="q-da42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="453">Not really I don't think - no. No.</u>
474                        <u xml:id="q-db42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="454">Was it more about neighbours and relations?</u>
475                        <u xml:id="q-dc42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="455">Yes, that's right - yes, yes, yes.</u>
476                        <u xml:id="q-dd42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="456">I suppose the neighbours were like the friends were they?</u>
477                        <u xml:id="q-de42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="457">Yes;</u>
478                        <u xml:id="q-df42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="458">Because it's so different now?</u>
479                        <u xml:id="q-e042e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="459">Oh different yes - different world - yes, it is a different world.</u>
480                        <u xml:id="q-e142e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="460">Can you tell me anything more about the life there in the mews, I mean, for example did you know everybody?</u>
481                        <u xml:id="q-e242e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="461">Oh yes, you all knew one another - yes.</u>
482                        <u xml:id="q-e342e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="462">And would you sort of greet each other when you passed and that kind of thing?</u>
483                        <u xml:id="q-e442e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="463">Yes, oh never pass one another without - you know -</u>
484                        <u xml:id="q-e542e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="464">And you'd known your wife for a long time had you?</u>
485                        <u xml:id="q-e642e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="465">Oh yes, yes, yes.</u>
486                        <u xml:id="q-e742e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="466">Because she'd always live there too?</u>
487                        <u xml:id="q-e842e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="467">Yes.</u>
488                        <u xml:id="q-e942e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="468">Did you help your wife in the house in the way of cleaning in those days?</u>
489                        <u xml:id="q-ea42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="469">Oh yes, we - I - yes - I worked with my wife - yes. Done what I could, you know.</u>
490                        <u xml:id="q-eb42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="470">When would you find the time to do it?</u>
491                        <u xml:id="q-ec42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="471">Well, mainly it was on the - if I didn't go out with the children on Sunday it was then - yes.</u>
492                        <u xml:id="q-ed42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="472">What sort of thing would you do?</u>
493                        <u xml:id="q-ee42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="473">Well, while mother was cooking I'd go upstairs and do the rooms - yes.</u>
494                        <u xml:id="q-ef42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="474">Sweeping and all that?</u>
495                        <u xml:id="q-f042e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="475">Oh yes.</u>
496                        <u xml:id="q-f142e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="476">She was lucky?</u>
497                        <u xml:id="q-f242e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="477">Not very. We all done sort of one together. Yes.</u>
498                        <u xml:id="q-f342e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="478">Did you talk about what you'd do or did you just sort of fit in?</u>
499                        <u xml:id="q-f442e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="479">Oh just fit in, yes, yes.</u>
500                        <u xml:id="q-f542e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="480">You just saw what needed to be done?</u>
501                        <u xml:id="q-f642e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="481">Yes, yes.</u>
502                        <u xml:id="q-f742e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="482">Like you've done in your own home really?</u>
503                        <u xml:id="q-f842e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="483">Yes, quite, yes.</u>
504                        <u xml:id="q-f942e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="484">Would you ever do any cooking?</u>
505                        <u xml:id="q-fa42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="485">Oh yes, I've done cooking. While mother was in bed my mother would also come in yes, yes.</u>
506                        <u xml:id="q-fb42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="486">Did your wife make any clothes for the family or herself?</u>
507                        <u xml:id="q-fc42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="487">Well - not really because you couldn't afford the material - you have to buy your clothes. It was near as your pocket would let you run. But she couldn't -</u>
508                        <u xml:id="q-fd42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="488">And it was cheaper to buy clothes?</u>
509                        <u xml:id="q-fe42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="489">Yes, she could make mind you but it was the material and that you know.</u>
510                        <u xml:id="q-ff42e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="490">It was actually cheaper to buy the cheap clothes?</u>
511                        <u xml:id="q-0043e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="491">Yes, was in those days.</u>
512                        <u xml:id="q-0143e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="492">Did she also buy</u>
513                        <u xml:id="q-0243e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="493">Yes, yes.</u>
514                        <u xml:id="q-0343e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="494">Did she also belong to clubs - for boots and things like that?</u>
515                        <u xml:id="q-0443e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="495">Yes, yes, yes.</u>
516                        <u xml:id="q-0543e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="496">Before you had the children did you have a lodger?</u>
517                        <u xml:id="q-0643e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="497">No.</u>
518                        <u xml:id="q-0743e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="498">Just on your own were you?</u>
519                        <u xml:id="q-0843e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="499">Oh yes, yes.</u>
520                        <u xml:id="q-0943e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="500">No relatives either?</u>
521                        <u xml:id="q-0a43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="501">No.</u>
522                        <u xml:id="q-0b43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="502">On Christmas Day who did you have your Christmas dinner with - just on your own?</u>
523                        <u xml:id="q-0c43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="503">On our own, yes, yes.</u>
524                        <u xml:id="q-0d43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="504">Then did you go visiting your family?</u>
525                        <u xml:id="q-0e43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="505">Mostly in to mother or mother'd come into us and father. Whichever way - you know.</u>
526                        <u xml:id="q-0f43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="506">But you ate just on your own?</u>
527                        <u xml:id="q-1043e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="507">Yes. Yes.</u>
528                        <u xml:id="q-1143e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="508">You told me that when you started work it interfered with church going and you had to stop Sunday School and all that.</u>
529                        <u xml:id="q-1243e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="509">Yes, yes.</u>
530                        <u xml:id="q-1343e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="510">Did you ever start up again or did you leave that?</u>
531                        <u xml:id="q-1443e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="511">I - well, I think I left it - yes, yes.</u>
532                        <u xml:id="q-1543e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="512">And your wife too - did she not go?</u>
533                        <u xml:id="q-1643e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="513">No.</u>
534                        <u xml:id="q-1743e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="514">And your children - did they go to Sunday school?</u>
535                        <u xml:id="q-1843e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="515">Oh yes, they had to go to Sunday school - yes.</u>
536                        <u xml:id="q-1943e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="516">Do you think you brought up your children like you had been brought up?</u>
537                        <u xml:id="q-1a43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="517">Yes, quite. Yes.</u>
538                        <u xml:id="q-1b43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="518">You kept to the same ideas?</u>
539                        <u xml:id="q-1c43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="519">That's right - yes.</u>
540                        <u xml:id="q-1d43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="520">Had you and your wife had a similar kind of upbringing - same kind of standards and ideas?</u>
541                        <u xml:id="q-1e43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="521">Yes - oh yes, yes. Yes.</u>
542                        <u xml:id="q-1f43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="522">Your parents knew each other I suppose?</u>
543                        <u xml:id="q-2043e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="523">Yes.</u>
544                        <u xml:id="q-2143e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="524">You mentioned that your father didn't have an interest in politics at all.</u>
545                        <u xml:id="q-2243e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="525">Not a bit.</u>
546                        <u xml:id="q-2343e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="526">Were you the same?</u>
547                        <u xml:id="q-2443e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="527">Yes, we were all the same.</u>
548                        <u xml:id="q-2543e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="528">You didn't take an interest?</u>
549                        <u xml:id="q-2643e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="529">No, no.</u>
550                        <u xml:id="q-2743e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="530">Did you vote at elections?</u>
551                        <u xml:id="q-2843e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="531">Yes, oh yes.</u>
552                        <u xml:id="q-2943e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="532">You exercised your vote?</u>
553                        <u xml:id="q-2a43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="533">Oh yes, yes.</u>
554                        <u xml:id="q-2b43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="534">But you didn't sort of have … ?</u>
555                        <u xml:id="q-2c43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="535">No, no, no, no.</u>
556                        <u xml:id="q-2d43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="536">You didn't have any kind of views about politics?</u>
557                        <u xml:id="q-2e43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="537">No, no.</u>
558                        <u xml:id="q-2f43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="538">What about your wife - was she the same?</u>
559                        <u xml:id="q-3043e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="539">Yes - we can - about the same - yes.</u>
560                        <u xml:id="q-3143e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="540">Did you ever talk about political things?</u>
561                        <u xml:id="q-3243e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="541">Not really - no.</u>
562                        <u xml:id="q-3343e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="542">Were you more inclined to the Labour side or the Conservative side?</u>
563                        <u xml:id="q-3443e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="543">Well - I think the Labour side - yes.</u>
564                        <u xml:id="q-3543e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="544">Did your children go to the same school - Fairhazel Gardens - as you had done?</u>
565                        <u xml:id="q-3643e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="545">Er - yes, yes.</u>
566                        <u xml:id="q-3743e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="546">Did you go up to the school at all to see the teachers ever?</u>
567                        <u xml:id="q-3843e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="547">No, I don't think I did - no.</u>
568                        <u xml:id="q-3943e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="548">Did you take an interest in their schoolwork and talk to them about it?</u>
569                        <u xml:id="q-3a43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="549">They were good - yes - they took interest in their work.</u>
570                        <u xml:id="q-3b43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="550">Did you ever play with the children?</u>
571                        <u xml:id="q-3c43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="551">Oh yes, yes, yes.</u>
572                        <u xml:id="q-3d43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="552">What sort of games?</u>
573                        <u xml:id="q-3e43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="553">Well, indoors used to have what they call pick-a-back - I'd get down and make out a horse and all that sort of thing.</u>
574                        <u xml:id="q-3f43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="554">And they loved that?</u>
575                        <u xml:id="q-4043e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="555">Yes.</u>
576                        <u xml:id="q-4143e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="556">You said that you never had any cards at home?</u>
577                        <u xml:id="q-4243e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="557">No.</u>
578                        <u xml:id="q-4343e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="558">Because your parents didn't believe in that?</u>
579                        <u xml:id="q-4443e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="559">No. Tell you the truth I wouldn't know how to play cards now - no.</u>
580                        <u xml:id="q-4543e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="560">Did you have any games at all though say dominoes or ludo?</u>
581                        <u xml:id="q-4643e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="561">No. No.</u>
582                        <u xml:id="q-4743e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="562">When you had your own family did you have any books or papers then?</u>
583                        <u xml:id="q-4843e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="563">Well, they - yes, they had papers and that you know - books I mean to say.</u>
584                        <u xml:id="q-4943e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="564">They used to read them?</u>
585                        <u xml:id="q-4a43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="565">Yes.</u>
586                        <u xml:id="q-4b43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="566">Did your wife read at all?</u>
587                        <u xml:id="q-4c43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="567">She could read - yes, yes.</u>
588                        <u xml:id="q-4d43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="568">Did she ever go to the Library or anything?</u>
589                        <u xml:id="q-4e43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="569">No, no. Libraries weren't the same as they are today. There were Libraries - not - not like they are now.</u>
590                        <u xml:id="q-4f43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="570">Can you tell me anything more about the children and the way they were brought up?</u>
591                        <u xml:id="q-5043e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="571">No, I think they were just brought up ordinary. You know. They - they was brought up to behave themselves of course.</u>
592                        <u xml:id="q-5143e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="572">You told me it was very rare for your parents to need to punish you children, you know, just a look.</u>
593                        <u xml:id="q-5243e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="573">Oh no, we weren't punished. It'd got to be really, really necessary, you know.</u>
594                        <u xml:id="q-5343e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="574">It wasn't an everyday thing?</u>
595                        <u xml:id="q-5443e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="575">Oh no.</u>
596                        <u xml:id="q-5543e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="576">And were you the same with yours?</u>
597                        <u xml:id="q-5643e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="577">Yes, quite - yes.</u>
598                        <u xml:id="q-5743e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="578">Do you ever remember having to give them a smack?</u>
599                        <u xml:id="q-5843e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="579">No. I don't think I had - no.</u>
600                        <u xml:id="q-5943e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="580">And it was the same with their mother was it?</u>
601                        <u xml:id="q-5a43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="581">Yes. A word of the mouth was enough - they knew what you - when you meant - yes.</u>
602                        <u xml:id="q-5b43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="582">You told me that you couldn't talk across the table at mealtimes.</u>
603                        <u xml:id="q-5c43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="583">No, you weren't allowed to do that.</u>
604                        <u xml:id="q-5d43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="584">Were you the same with your children? Did you keep to that rule?</u>
605                        <u xml:id="q-5e43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="585">No, I don't think I was quite so strict in - I don't mean to say my parents was cruel - no, but they - you had …..</u>
606                        <u xml:id="q-5f43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="586">It was more the custom?</u>
607                        <u xml:id="q-6043e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="587">Yes, exactly. And if - the parents - you were out with mother or father - they met somebody and they were talking - you weren't allowed to stand there and listen - no, no.</u>
608                        <u xml:id="q-6143e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="588">And with your children did you keep that rule too?</u>
609                        <u xml:id="q-6243e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="589">Yes, yes. Well, they …..</u>
610                        <u xml:id="q-6343e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="590">You didn't like the children to listen in to your conversation?</u>
611                        <u xml:id="q-6443e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="591">No.</u>
612                        <u xml:id="q-6543e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="592">Did you feel there were lots of things it wasn't suitable for the children to hear?</u>
613                        <u xml:id="q-6643e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="593">Well, could be - could be - all depends what conversation it was, see.</u>
614                        <u xml:id="q-6743e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="594">Nowadays children know too much?</u>
615                        <u xml:id="q-6843e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="595">Oh yes.</u>
616                        <u xml:id="q-6943e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="596">You said you had this daughter -</u>
617                        <u xml:id="q-6a43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="597">Yes.</u>
618                        <u xml:id="q-6b43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="598">When was she born - what year - do you remember the year of her birth?</u>
619                        <u xml:id="q-6c43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="599">No, I can't tell you that - no.</u>
620                        <u xml:id="q-6d43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="600">How soon after her was the next one born?</u>
621                        <u xml:id="q-6e43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="601">They run about 2 years - 2 years and a half. Yes.</u>
622                        <u xml:id="q-6f43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="602">They were all born quite close together?</u>
623                        <u xml:id="q-7043e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="603">Yes, yes, yes.</u>
624                        <u xml:id="q-7143e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="604">That daughter - before she died did she have a job?</u>
625                        <u xml:id="q-7243e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="605">Yes, she was a pastry cook. Very good girl too. Knew how to do her work. Yes. She'd do - she worked at Golders Green.</u>
626                        <u xml:id="q-7343e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="606">Was she married?</u>
627                        <u xml:id="q-7443e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="607">No, no.</u>
628                        <u xml:id="q-7543e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="608">The next one was a boy?</u>
629                        <u xml:id="q-7643e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="609">Yes. Yes.</u>
630                        <u xml:id="q-7743e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="610">What work did he do?</u>
631                        <u xml:id="q-7843e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="611">Well, he used to - job as he - he went to the job he is now when he left school and he's there 'til - up ‘til today. Yes. Sort of a wholesale people in furs and clothing and all that - I can't exactly tell you what they - trade call them - no.</u>
632                        <u xml:id="q-7943e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="612">Does he serve the customers and that kind of thing?</u>
633                        <u xml:id="q-7a43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="613">Well, he sort of - tisn't a shop - it's sort of factory.</u>
634                        <u xml:id="q-7b43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="614">Oh, he's making these things is he?</u>
635                        <u xml:id="q-7c43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="615">Yes, yes, yes.</u>
636                        <u xml:id="q-7d43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="616">And the third child - was it a boy or girl?</u>
637                        <u xml:id="q-7e43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="617">Girl. Yes.</u>
638                        <u xml:id="q-7f43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="618">And is she living?</u>
639                        <u xml:id="q-8043e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="619">Er - no, she - lived with us.</u>
640                        <u xml:id="q-8143e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="620">She's still living?</u>
641                        <u xml:id="q-8243e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="621">Yes. Yes. Oh yes, yes.</u>
642                        <u xml:id="q-8343e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="622">Did she have a job?</u>
643                        <u xml:id="q-8443e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="623">Yes, she worked with my son but - er -</u>
644                        <u xml:id="q-8543e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="624">In the wholesaling business?</u>
645                        <u xml:id="q-8643e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="625">Yes, yes.</u>
646                        <u xml:id="q-8743e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="626">Did she get married?</u>
647                        <u xml:id="q-8843e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="627">Er - yes, yes.</u>
648                        <u xml:id="q-8943e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="628">And what job did her husband do?</u>
649                        <u xml:id="q-8a43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="629">Er - bus driver - a bus conductor.</u>
650                        <u xml:id="q-8b43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="630">Was he always at that work?</u>
651                        <u xml:id="q-8c43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="631">Yes. Yes.</u>
652                        <u xml:id="q-8d43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="632">Did she always do the work in the wholesaling or did she give it up when she married?</u>
653                        <u xml:id="q-8e43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="633">She gave it up when she married.</u>
654                        <u xml:id="q-8f43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="634">Did she go back to work?</u>
655                        <u xml:id="q-9043e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="635">No.</u>
656                        <u xml:id="q-9143e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="636">Your wife before you married had she been in domestic work then?</u>
657                        <u xml:id="q-9243e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="637">Yes.</u>
658                        <u xml:id="q-9343e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="638">That would be all the work she did?</u>
659                        <u xml:id="q-9443e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="639">Yes, yes.</u>
660                        <u xml:id="q-9543e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="640">Can you tell me the number of the house you were born in?</u>
661                        <u xml:id="q-9643e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="641">Yes, number - number 10 - number 10 - yes.</u>
662                        <u xml:id="q-9743e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="642">What age were you when you moved from number 10?</u>
663                        <u xml:id="q-9843e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="643">Er - I think we'd be - around about 14. Yes, yes.</u>
664                        <u xml:id="q-9943e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="644">From number 10 did you move to 13?</u>
665                        <u xml:id="q-9a43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="645">Yes, to 13, yes.</u>
666                        <u xml:id="q-9b43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="646">Where were you living when you got married?</u>
667                        <u xml:id="q-9c43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="647">Oh, with me mother -13 - yes.</u>
668                        <u xml:id="q-9d43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="648">You said you had 5 brothers and sisters older?</u>
669                        <u xml:id="q-9e43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="649">Yes.</u>
670                        <u xml:id="q-9f43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="650">And 3 younger?</u>
671                        <u xml:id="q-a043e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="651">Yes.</u>
672                        <u xml:id="q-a143e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="652">Can you tell me how the family went in the brothers and sisters?</u>
673                        <u xml:id="q-a243e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="653">Well, my eldest brother was - in my days -Harry and Steve.</u>
674                        <u xml:id="q-a343e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="654">How much younger was Steve than Harry?</u>
675                        <u xml:id="q-a443e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="655">Steve. Well I think we run pretty close. Somewhere about I should think 2 years - yes.</u>
676                        <u xml:id="q-a543e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="656">Then after Steve who was next?</u>
677                        <u xml:id="q-a643e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="657">Sid - then myself - yes.</u>
678                        <u xml:id="q-a743e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="658">Harry you said was a policeman?</u>
679                        <u xml:id="q-a843e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="659">Yes.</u>
680                        <u xml:id="q-a943e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="660">Did he ever have any other job - full time job?</u>
681                        <u xml:id="q-aa43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="661">Oh yes. Well, he was - let me go back now - yes, he worked for Willie Smith the coalman - the coal people and then he went and had - what we used to call - you know the Marylebone railway - they called it the Marylebone line - that's run through .....</u>
682                        <u xml:id="q-ab43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="662">Finchley and all that?</u>
683                        <u xml:id="q-ac43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="663">Yes, well now he worked on that navvying - the it was called the Great Central - what they call it now I don't know - yes.</u>
684                        <u xml:id="q-ad43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="664">And then what did he do after that?</u>
685                        <u xml:id="q-ae43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="665">Well, I think from that - I - he did a milk job then he got into the police force - yes.</u>
686                        <u xml:id="q-af43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="666">And after he got into the police force did he do anything else?</u>
687                        <u xml:id="q-b043e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="667">No, he didn't live long after his pension. He'd moved - he was down in Kent then - Belvedere.</u>
688                        <u xml:id="q-b143e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="668">Your second brother who was called Steve?</u>
689                        <u xml:id="q-b243e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="669">Er - yes, Steve.</u>
690                        <u xml:id="q-b343e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="670">You said he did anything in the building line?</u>
691                        <u xml:id="q-b443e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="671">Well, he was sort of an odd job man. You know he was on the council for a while on the electricity - those days electricity come under the council. But not now.</u>
692                        <u xml:id="q-b543e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="672">And did he ever do anything else?</u>
693                        <u xml:id="q-b643e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="673">No, no.</u>
694                        <u xml:id="q-b743e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="674">He always stuck in that work?</u>
695                        <u xml:id="q-b843e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="675">Yes, yes.</u>
696                        <u xml:id="q-b943e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="676">The third brother?</u>
697                        <u xml:id="q-ba43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="677">Sid.</u>
698                        <u xml:id="q-bb43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="678">He worked on the electric line that ran through Chalk Farm?</u>
699                        <u xml:id="q-bc43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="679">That's right - this line through here - yes, ran right through.</u>
700                        <u xml:id="q-bd43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="680">And did he do anything else?</u>
701                        <u xml:id="q-be43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="681">No, he died - just after the '14 war.</u>
702                        <u xml:id="q-bf43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="682">So he didn't live very long?</u>
703                        <u xml:id="q-c043e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="683">No. No.</u>
704                        <u xml:id="q-c143e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="684">How much younger was Sid than Steve?</u>
705                        <u xml:id="q-c243e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="685">Well, as I say I think we ran enough 2 years from one another you see.</u>
706                        <u xml:id="q-c343e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="686">So then it was you were next - is that right?</u>
707                        <u xml:id="q-c443e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="687">Yes, yes.</u>
708                        <u xml:id="q-c543e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="688">And then who came after you?</u>
709                        <u xml:id="q-c643e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="689">My sister - Nell - sister Nell. And she runs very close to me in birthdays - in ages. I've been - I'd had older sister Edith.</u>
710                        <u xml:id="q-c743e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="690">You had an older one too?</u>
711                        <u xml:id="q-c843e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="691">Yes, yes.</u>
712                        <u xml:id="q-c943e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="692">Where did she come?</u>
713                        <u xml:id="q-ca43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="693">Er - really she come behind Harry. Yes, yes.</u>
714                        <u xml:id="q-cb43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="694">What did Edie do - did she ever have a job?</u>
715                        <u xml:id="q-cc43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="695">My sister was in service - yes.</u>
716                        <u xml:id="q-cd43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="696">Did she live in?</u>
717                        <u xml:id="q-ce43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="697">Lived out - live in - yes. Really in those days the places were small - it was you know a case of having to, live out.</u>
718                        <u xml:id="q-cf43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="698">Because you had 3 rooms didn't you?</u>
719                        <u xml:id="q-d043e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="699">Yes. Yes.</u>
720                        <u xml:id="q-d143e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="700">What sort of domestic work did she do?</u>
721                        <u xml:id="q-d243e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="701">Er - well, she was housemaid and house parlour maid. She done both really - yes.</u>
722                        <u xml:id="q-d343e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="702">Did she ever marry?</u>
723                        <u xml:id="q-d443e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="703">Oh yes, she married and had a very nice family.</u>
724                        <u xml:id="q-d543e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="704">Could you tell me what her husbands job was?</u>
725                        <u xml:id="q-d643e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="705">He was a - a builder - all round builder if you know what I mean - he could do anything - yes.</u>
726                        <u xml:id="q-d743e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="706">Did he have his own business?</u>
727                        <u xml:id="q-d843e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="707">No, he worked for Binks in Brewster Road that was then - Binks the builder. Well then he finished up then and they moved down to - er - coast of Southend. - Wickford - but he had 2 nice sons and they built their own house - bought their ground - 'cos ground was different those days to what it is now with regards to buying and they built a lovely house - lovely house - lovely garden.</u>
728                        <u xml:id="q-d943e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="708">And then younger than you was Nell?</u>
729                        <u xml:id="q-da43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="709">Yes, yes, yes.</u>
730                        <u xml:id="q-db43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="710">Did she go into service too?</u>
731                        <u xml:id="q-dc43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="711">No, she done sort of general work - daily work.</u>
732                        <u xml:id="q-dd43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="712">Going out to daily domestic work?</u>
733                        <u xml:id="q-de43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="713">Yes, domestic - yes, yes.</u>
734                        <u xml:id="q-df43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="714">Did she marry?</u>
735                        <u xml:id="q-e043e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="715">No. No.</u>
736                        <u xml:id="q-e143e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="716">Did she always just do domestic work?</u>
737                        <u xml:id="q-e243e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="717">Yes, always, yes, yes.</u>
738                        <u xml:id="q-e343e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="718">After Nell who was the next one?</u>
739                        <u xml:id="q-e443e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="719">Er - let me think - yes. There was Nell - oh - Edward - I used - we used to call him Mick - that's his nick - you know, nickname - yes.</u>
740                        <u xml:id="q-e543e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="720">And what job did he have?</u>
741                        <u xml:id="q-e643e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="721">Oh well, he got onto Borough Council - yes.</u>
742                        <u xml:id="q-e743e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="722">Doing what sort of work?</u>
743                        <u xml:id="q-e843e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="723">General work - just ordinary general work - with the masons as they called them - yes.</u>
744                        <u xml:id="q-e943e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="724">And did he always stick in that?</u>
745                        <u xml:id="q-ea43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="725">Yes, he saw the - saw his time out in that.</u>
746                        <u xml:id="q-eb43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="726">Was he the youngest of you?</u>
747                        <u xml:id="q-ec43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="727">Yes, he was the youngest. Yes, yes. Let me think - Ernie was the youngest. Yes, Ernie yes, yes.</u>
748                        <u xml:id="q-ed43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="728">How much younger was he than Edward? Also quite close?</u>
749                        <u xml:id="q-ee43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="729">Think so - yes - all run very close - yes.</u>
750                        <u xml:id="q-ef43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="730">And what did he do?</u>
751                        <u xml:id="q-f043e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="731">Well - he worked on the railway. Yes, he went to the railway - Ernie - being of course he was the - most of us in the family was called up in the '14 war well then he got hit - he got hit in the head and it really done him no good. After that he suffered with fits - and - within a few years of course he died. In March - a few years I say - he did he worked a few years on the railway on the engine driving - well on the - among the engines, yes.</u>
752                        <u xml:id="q-f143e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="732">Did he actually drive them or work on the engines?</u>
753                        <u xml:id="q-f243e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="733">Well, he could drive but that left him so they kept him I think in the depot, you know, just - he could drive - yes.</u>
754                        <u xml:id="q-f343e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="734">Did your father ever have any other work besides being a navvy?</u>
755                        <u xml:id="q-f443e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="735">No, never.</u>
756                        <u xml:id="q-f543e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="736">He was always a navvy?</u>
757                        <u xml:id="q-f643e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="737">Always a navvy - yes. And my father worked on this road.</u>
758                        <u xml:id="q-f743e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="738">Just down here?</u>
759                        <u xml:id="q-f843e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="739">Well, all over the borough but that was before ever the - Woodrows come in with all this - he would navvy and lay the drains. Also he worked on Willis the builders, that was the roads you know - up the end of Harvey Road, well he worked there laying drains. Yes. And he was a man that wouldn't be shown his work. He knew he work and it was very funny - he knew his work and he wouldn't be shown. He was very ....</u>
760                        <u xml:id="q-f943e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="740">Independent?</u>
761                        <u xml:id="q-fa43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="741">Exactly - yes.</u>
762                        <u xml:id="q-fb43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="742">Did he ever do a part time job as well?</u>
763                        <u xml:id="q-fc43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="743">Oh - no, not really - he stuck to navvying but different jobs mind you - not all the time on one firm when that finished doing of course he used to - he was well known and if there was work to be had he stood a chance. Yes. Of work to be done.</u>
764                        <u xml:id="q-fd43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="744">Did your mother work before she married?</u>
765                        <u xml:id="q-fe43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="745">Well, I wouldn't know about before she was married buy my mother done a lot of maternity work. Yes, a lot - she was well known and used to get about a lot, yes.</u>
766                        <u xml:id="q-ff43e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="746">Do you know what sort of money she got for that?</u>
767                        <u xml:id="q-0044e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="747">No, I wouldn't know - I didn't ask - no.</u>
768                        <u xml:id="q-0144e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="748">But before she was married you don't know if she did it at all then?</u>
769                        <u xml:id="q-0244e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="749">No, oh no. They were both clean people - my mother and father. I've heard mother say that when they moved into the mews in those days it wasn't properly finished so it's a few years ago isn't it. Yes.</u>
770                        <u xml:id="q-0344e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="750">Do you know how old your mother was when you were born?</u>
771                        <u xml:id="q-0444e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="751">No, I wouldn't know that, no.</u>
772                        <u xml:id="q-0544e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="752">You don't know how old she was when she married?</u>
773                        <u xml:id="q-0644e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="753">No. I don't - no.</u>
774                        <u xml:id="q-0744e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="754">And your father - have you any idea?</u>
775                        <u xml:id="q-0844e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="755">No, no, we never heard that mentioned. Of course in those days our parents were strict - if they were talking conversation rather we weren't allowed to listen. No, no.</u>
776                        <u xml:id="q-0944e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="756">But did they talk much to you themselves?</u>
777                        <u xml:id="q-0a44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="757">Oh yes, they were very good, they used to talk to us, yes, oh yes, yes. Father - if - in those days of course they were very strict on us going to Church on Sunday and Sunday school, but there was occasional time mother gave way and father would take us out for a walk.</u>
778                        <u xml:id="q-0b44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="758">In the morning?</u>
779                        <u xml:id="q-0c44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="759">Sunday morning. And you went for a walk - right across country - Quincy Road was out - country then - just beyond Lyminton Road - he'd take you across the fields and we'd wind up at - very often out at - the other side of Willesden.</u>
780                        <u xml:id="q-0d44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="760">A long way.</u>
781                        <u xml:id="q-0e44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="761">Yes. You went for a walk mind you. Of course there was no buses then - well there was horse buses - the few but father always walked us across country. Golders Green was one of his spots - well then Golders Green went across where the tube station is - well that was all fields on the corner there used to be a pig farm. Well, we'd sit there and have a rest - father would have his glass of beer - though would never take us in - those days children could go in a public house - but he would never take us in. Always had arrowroot biscuit and ginger beer.</u>
782                        <u xml:id="q-0f44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="762">Did he buy that for you there?</u>
783                        <u xml:id="q-1044e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="763">Oh yes, he bought it for us there.</u>
784                        <u xml:id="q-1144e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="764">And bring it out to you?</u>
785                        <u xml:id="q-1244e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="765">Bring it out to use - yes. But he would never take us in the public house.</u>
786                        <u xml:id="q-1344e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="766">Even in winter?</u>
787                        <u xml:id="q-1444e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="767">No, oh no, no.</u>
788                        <u xml:id="q-1544e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="768">Why do you think he wouldn't take you in?</u>
789                        <u xml:id="q-1644e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="769">Well he believed - because he always used to say - nobody'll ever say I learned my children to drink - that was his idea. And 'course you - those places - days there'd be some bad language perhaps - and father wouldn't …..</u>
790                        <u xml:id="q-1744e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="770">Were your parents particular about language?</u>
791                        <u xml:id="q-1844e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="771">Oh yes. Yes, yes, yes.</u>
792                        <u xml:id="q-1944e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="772">If you did say a bad word you or your brothers what did they do?</u>
793                        <u xml:id="q-1a44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="773">Well, we got a clout side of the ear. Yes, yes. And we were never allowed out while children - late at night - no.</u>
794                        <u xml:id="q-1b44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="774">What time would you need to be in?</u>
795                        <u xml:id="q-1c44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="775">Well we had to be in at 6. When we were children sometimes we'd grumble - dad would say come on - bed. You can't burn the candle both ends no more than I can. He used to be up in the morning mind you - yes, yes.</u>
796                        <u xml:id="q-1d44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="776">Until what age did you have to be in at 6?</u>
797                        <u xml:id="q-1e44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="777">Well - up to 16 years old - yes - couldn't go out.</u>
798                        <u xml:id="q-1f44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="778">Even when you were working?</u>
799                        <u xml:id="q-2044e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="779">Yes, yes, yes.</u>
800                        <u xml:id="q-2144e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="780">But wouldn't your jobs go on after 6 o'clock?</u>
801                        <u xml:id="q-2244e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="781">Well we'd got ‘til 6 o'clock - yes - but we had to be in at 7 o'clock. Yes.</u>
802                        <u xml:id="q-2344e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="782">You had to come straight back from work?</u>
803                        <u xml:id="q-2444e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="783">Yes - oh yes. Yes, you'd do boots and - well, tea of course then to bed.</u>
804                        <u xml:id="q-2544e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="784">When your mother went out to maternity work was that when you were still a small child?</u>
805                        <u xml:id="q-2644e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="785">Oh yes, we was at school and when I grew up. Well, mother gave up - in those days - used to - they used to walk round in ordinary clothes - well, those days shawls and that - that was the fashion then - shawls and a bonnet but when they came into that they'd got to wear uniforms - she gave up - no, she wouldn't wear them. No.</u>
806                        <u xml:id="q-2744e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="786">When she went out of the home who looked after the children?</u>
807                        <u xml:id="q-2844e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="787">Well, we had to do best we could - you know, yes. But mind you she wasn't out all day - she was just there for confinement, was - she used to go back certain times to do her patients but she generally managed that she'd be home for a mid-day meal and if she was called out you know, then she'd leave us in care of somebody - to see we had our meals.</u>
808                        <u xml:id="q-2944e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="788">Did she have any relations living close by?</u>
809                        <u xml:id="q-2a44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="789">Yes, she had a brother - a name Pen the sweep - you know Pen - his name was Pen. A chimney sweep - doing that for - well, years and years and years - well, they've only just taken that away from the neighbourhood.</u>
810                        <u xml:id="q-2b44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="790">And was he married - did he have a wife who could help your mother?</u>
811                        <u xml:id="q-2c44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="791">Oh yes, yes, he was married - had a - 1 girl and t-3 boys. But 2 of the boys - one went to Canada another one went to Australia and 3 boys - Frank - Frank he stayed in the neighbourhood.</u>
812                        <u xml:id="q-2d44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="792">Did Mr Pen's wife help your mother at all?</u>
813                        <u xml:id="q-2e44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="793">You mean when she go to work? Oh no, not in confinement business.</u>
814                        <u xml:id="q-2f44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="794">Did she help your mother in the house with the children?</u>
815                        <u xml:id="q-3044e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="795">Well, she just - she saw that ….</u>
816                        <u xml:id="q-3144e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="796">Saw you got your meals?</u>
817                        <u xml:id="q-3244e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="797">Yes, yes.</u>
818                        <u xml:id="q-3344e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="798">You didn't have any lodgers living with you?</u>
819                        <u xml:id="q-3444e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="799">Oh no, no.</u>
820                        <u xml:id="q-3544e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="800">Do you know if your mother had a household routine - certain things on certain days that she always did?</u>
821                        <u xml:id="q-3644e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="801">No, not really - just went on ordinary you knew, yes, yes.</u>
822                        <u xml:id="q-3744e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="802">Do you know if she washed on a particular day?</u>
823                        <u xml:id="q-3844e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="803">No, well, as she was - when she got a bit of a free day she used to do the washing - yes.</u>
824                        <u xml:id="q-3944e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="804">But it wasn't always a set day?</u>
825                        <u xml:id="q-3a44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="805">No, no.</u>
826                        <u xml:id="q-3b44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="806">Did she do any sewing for the family?</u>
827                        <u xml:id="q-3c44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="807">Sewing? Oh yes, she done the - done the sewing and darning - yes.</u>
828                        <u xml:id="q-3d44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="808">Did she make any clothes?</u>
829                        <u xml:id="q-3e44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="809">No, no, no.</u>
830                        <u xml:id="q-3f44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="810">Where did she buy the clothes from?</u>
831                        <u xml:id="q-4044e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="811">Well, those days in Queens Crescent. Well, those days of course you had to go where the cheapest place was.</u>
832                        <u xml:id="q-4144e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="812">Was that the cheapest there?</u>
833                        <u xml:id="q-4244e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="813">Yes, yes.</u>
834                        <u xml:id="q-4344e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="814">Was it new clothes or second hand?</u>
835                        <u xml:id="q-4444e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="815">New. Yes.</u>
836                        <u xml:id="q-4544e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="816">Where did she get the shoes - there too?</u>
837                        <u xml:id="q-4644e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="817">Queens Crescent - yes.</u>
838                        <u xml:id="q-4744e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="818">Was this like an outfitters or was it a clothing club?</u>
839                        <u xml:id="q-4844e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="819">Well, like - more clothing club really - couldn't pay really down - pay so much you know.</u>
840                        <u xml:id="q-4944e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="820">She paid into a club?</u>
841                        <u xml:id="q-4a44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="821">Yes, yes. Yes.</u>
842                        <u xml:id="q-4b44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="822">Was it a separate club for clothes and for boots?</u>
843                        <u xml:id="q-4c44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="823">Yes.</u>
844                        <u xml:id="q-4d44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="824">2 clubs?</u>
845                        <u xml:id="q-4e44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="825">Yes.</u>
846                        <u xml:id="q-4f44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="826">Did she belong to any other clubs do you know?</u>
847                        <u xml:id="q-5044e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="827">No. No. Just those.</u>
848                        <u xml:id="q-5144e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="828">Do you remember if your father helped in the house at all with any jobs?</u>
849                        <u xml:id="q-5244e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="829">Father - no, he never done any housework. No.</u>
850                        <u xml:id="q-5344e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="830">Did he never do any cooking or window-cleaning?</u>
851                        <u xml:id="q-5444e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="831">No. No. No. We used to help - one or the other of used to do that.</u>
852                        <u xml:id="q-5544e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="832">Did you have a certain job you had to do in the home?</u>
853                        <u xml:id="q-5644e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="833">Oh yes, used to help you know - was - well, I don't know how it was but window cleaning or help to clean up the house. Yes.</u>
854                        <u xml:id="q-5744e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="834">What did you do yourself?</u>
855                        <u xml:id="q-5844e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="835">Well, sweep up - sweep the floor and all that sort of thing - perhaps when I got a bit older do the window cleaning.</u>
856                        <u xml:id="q-5944e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="836">Was that every day or certain set days?</u>
857                        <u xml:id="q-5a44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="837">Certain set day - Saturday was the most particular day you know for - for we had I went to work although when I say before I went to work we had to work all our lives. So young every - every penny told, you know boy could bring a bit of money in - it told.</u>
858                        <u xml:id="q-5b44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="838">So you had a part time job when you were quite young?</u>
859                        <u xml:id="q-5c44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="839">Oh yes, used to get up in the morning - had to be up and out on a milk round - yes.</u>
860                        <u xml:id="q-5d44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="840">How old were you when you had your first milk round?</u>
861                        <u xml:id="q-5e44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="841">I should think - oh about - 10 year old - yes.</u>
862                        <u xml:id="q-5f44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="842">Then when you did your milk round did you go to school after?</u>
863                        <u xml:id="q-6044e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="843">Oh yes. You might be home - you might be done in time for breakfast - get home for breakfast - otherwise we used to go straight on to school.</u>
864                        <u xml:id="q-6144e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="844">Without breakfast?</u>
865                        <u xml:id="q-6244e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="845">Without breakfast - yes.</u>
866                        <u xml:id="q-6344e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="846">Before you went to your milk round did you have any time for any food before you set out?</u>
867                        <u xml:id="q-6444e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="847">Oh yes, mother saw we had a cup of tea and a bit of something before we went out. Yes.</u>
868                        <u xml:id="q-6544e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="848">When you got home from school did you have any other job?</u>
869                        <u xml:id="q-6644e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="849">Yes, we used to go out - those days these big houses would employ a boy for cleaning boots and knives - well I used to do a job in Yondelsbury Road.</u>
870                        <u xml:id="q-6744e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="850">Do you remember what you got paid for it?</u>
871                        <u xml:id="q-6844e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="851">No, I don't - no.</u>
872                        <u xml:id="q-6944e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="852">But you did that every day did you?</u>
873                        <u xml:id="q-6a44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="853">Every day - yes.</u>
874                        <u xml:id="q-6b44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="854">And the milk round every day?</u>
875                        <u xml:id="q-6c44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="855">Yes.</u>
876                        <u xml:id="q-6d44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="856">Even Sunday?</u>
877                        <u xml:id="q-6e44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="857">Yes.</u>
878                        <u xml:id="q-6f44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="858">And the other one every day too?</u>
879                        <u xml:id="q-7044e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="859">Yes.</u>
880                        <u xml:id="q-7144e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="860">So you worked very hard?</u>
881                        <u xml:id="q-7244e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="861">Yes, we had to. We just had to to get the bit of money and help mother to run on see - yes.</u>
882                        <u xml:id="q-7344e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="862">Did all of you have a job or was there any of you that didn't work?</u>
883                        <u xml:id="q-7444e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="863">Oh no, were only 2 of us who had jobs if you could get a - if you could get one mind you.</u>
884                        <u xml:id="q-7544e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="864">Was there competition for them amongst the youngsters?</u>
885                        <u xml:id="q-7644e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="865">Oh yes, yes, yes.</u>
886                        <u xml:id="q-7744e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="866">Did you help with your younger brothers and sisters at all - did you have to do any jobs for them?</u>
887                        <u xml:id="q-7844e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="867">Not really - no, no, we had to do for yourselves sort of thing.</u>
888                        <u xml:id="q-7944e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="868">Did your mother put you to bed at night when you were little or did you put yourself to bed?</u>
889                        <u xml:id="q-7a44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="869">Well, we put ourselves to bed - yes.</u>
890                        <u xml:id="q-7b44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="870">You said that you had 5 beds?</u>
891                        <u xml:id="q-7c44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="871">Yes, yes.</u>
892                        <u xml:id="q-7d44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="872">Who did you have to share with then?</u>
893                        <u xml:id="q-7e44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="873">Well, when the - one of my brother - I think it was Sid. He's and gone of course.</u>
894                        <u xml:id="q-7f44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="874">You shared with him?</u>
895                        <u xml:id="q-8044e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="875">Yes. Yes.</u>
896                        <u xml:id="q-8144e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="876">How did the other members of the family sleep?</u>
897                        <u xml:id="q-8244e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="877">Well, used to sort of mix in the best we could. You know.</u>
898                        <u xml:id="q-8344e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="878">What rooms were the beds in then?</u>
899                        <u xml:id="q-8444e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="879">Upstairs - yes.</u>
900                        <u xml:id="q-8544e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="880">In the 2 up there?</u>
901                        <u xml:id="q-8644e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="881">Yes, yes.</u>
902                        <u xml:id="q-8744e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="882">So you didn't have room for a living, sitting room did you?</u>
903                        <u xml:id="q-8844e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="883">Oh no. No. No, just the kitchen - yes.</u>
904                        <u xml:id="q-8944e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="884">What room did you have a bath in - the kitchen?</u>
905                        <u xml:id="q-8a44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="885">Well, in the kitchen but when we got older - old enough we used to go to the baths in Finchley Road. They were in - They were in Finchley Road then. You know where they - the baths - do you know the old baths.</u>
906                        <u xml:id="q-8b44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="886">When you were about how old?</u>
907                        <u xml:id="q-8c44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="887">Oh - about - I - 'til when I finished do you mean?</u>
908                        <u xml:id="q-8d44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="888">When you started going to the baths?</u>
909                        <u xml:id="q-8e44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="889">Oh I should think about 9 or 10 years old - yes.</u>
910                        <u xml:id="q-8f44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="890">When you had your bath at home was it always a certain day?</u>
911                        <u xml:id="q-9044e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="891">Yes. Well, mainly Saturday - yes.</u>
912                        <u xml:id="q-9144e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="892">In those days people tell me they used to have - all the family used to have clean clothes on a certain day.</u>
913                        <u xml:id="q-9244e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="893">Yes. Yes.</u>
914                        <u xml:id="q-9344e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="894">Was it like that in your home?</u>
915                        <u xml:id="q-9444e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="895">Yes, oh yes, yes.</u>
916                        <u xml:id="q-9544e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="896">What day would that be?</u>
917                        <u xml:id="q-9644e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="897">We would - well, we would again change on Saturday when we had our bath - yes.</u>
918                        <u xml:id="q-9744e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="898">And would that have to last you the whole week?</u>
919                        <u xml:id="q-9844e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="899">Yes, yes.</u>
920                        <u xml:id="q-9944e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="900">Did you have separate clothes for a Saturday - that were different from the week day?</u>
921                        <u xml:id="q-9a44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="901">Sunday we had our Sunday suit - yes, yes.</u>
922                        <u xml:id="q-9b44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="902">When your mother used to cook in the kitchen what did she have to cook on?</u>
923                        <u xml:id="q-9c44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="903">Well, open fireplace yes. 'Cos those days the gas wasn't like it is now.</u>
924                        <u xml:id="q-9d44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="904">Did she have any oven?</u>
925                        <u xml:id="q-9e44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="905">Oven - yes, oh yes, yes.</u>
926                        <u xml:id="q-9f44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="906">At the side?</u>
927                        <u xml:id="q-a044e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="907">Yes.</u>
928                        <u xml:id="q-a144e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="908">When she gave you something before you went off on your milk round - you could have breakfast too if you got back in time could you?</u>
929                        <u xml:id="q-a244e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="909">Oh yes, could have if we got back in time - very often going to school I have and got the cane for being late - that was my breakfast - yes.</u>
930                        <u xml:id="q-a344e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="910">They were strict then?</u>
931                        <u xml:id="q-a444e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="911">Oh, yes, yes.</u>
932                        <u xml:id="q-a544e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="912">When you had breakfast what did you have in those days?</u>
933                        <u xml:id="q-a644e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="913">Well, bread and butter really that's all.</u>
934                        <u xml:id="q-a744e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="914">You had butter did you?</u>
935                        <u xml:id="q-a844e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="915">Well not butter - margarine - or bread and dripping or perhaps mother'd make us a bit of toast - dripping toast.</u>
936                        <u xml:id="q-a944e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="916">Would your father eat with you or would he have gone off earlier?</u>
937                        <u xml:id="q-aa44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="917">Oh, he'd have gone to work - yes.</u>
938                        <u xml:id="q-ab44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="918">Would he take food with him?</u>
939                        <u xml:id="q-ac44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="919">Yes, he took his food with him - all depends where he was might it. Some - as I say when he was here - of course he'd come home. But he used to get jobs further away well then he'd take his food with him -yes.</u>
940                        <u xml:id="q-ad44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="920">What did he take with him?</u>
941                        <u xml:id="q-ae44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="921">Well that all depends what he could afford you know what I mean, to take - yes.</u>
942                        <u xml:id="q-af44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="922">But for example?</u>
943                        <u xml:id="q-b044e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="923">Well, he - might have a bit of meat, potatoes and those days used to have in plates and a red handkerchief - tied up in a red handkerchief - yes, spotted - red spotted handkerchief.</u>
944                        <u xml:id="q-b144e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="924">And if he didn't have meat and potatoes what might he have?</u>
945                        <u xml:id="q-b244e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="925">Bread and cheese - yes.</u>
946                        <u xml:id="q-b344e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="926">And something to drink?</u>
947                        <u xml:id="q-b444e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="927">There used to - those days you had - used to have tin - tin cans and take tea with you. Father liked his glass of beer well - he'd have his glass of beer see.</u>
948                        <u xml:id="q-b544e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="928">Did your mother cook at mid-day?</u>
949                        <u xml:id="q-b644e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="929">Yes, yes. 'Course those days used to go and get 3 or 6 penny worth of pieces at the butchers - yes.</u>
950                        <u xml:id="q-b744e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="930">Was that just on a Saturday she could get that?</u>
951                        <u xml:id="q-b844e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="931">Oh no, in the - in the week - yes, yes. And on the Saturdays of course she'd go to Queens Crescent and buy a bit of meat - or perhaps Camden Town.</u>
952                        <u xml:id="q-b944e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="932">If you came late was it any cheaper?</u>
953                        <u xml:id="q-ba44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="933">Yes, that was the idea see. Used to have to walk - there was no buses. Walk from here to Queens Crescent or Cam - perhaps Queens Crescent - anything that wasn't there that suited mother - well it was tramp into Camden Town or vice versa.</u>
954                        <u xml:id="q-bb44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="934">How often in the week did you manage to eat meat in those days?</u>
955                        <u xml:id="q-bc44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="935">Meat? Well, about twice - well, twice a week perhaps. We used to have what was left on Sunday used to be hashed up for the next day if you know what I mean. And those days you could get what we used to call pork rinds and - used to make pork rind soup with split peas - we had - and potatoes.</u>
956                        <u xml:id="q-bd44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="936">Was it nice?</u>
957                        <u xml:id="q-be44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="937">Yes, yes.</u>
958                        <u xml:id="q-bf44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="938">So she'd make soup sometimes for dinner?</u>
959                        <u xml:id="q-c044e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="939">Oh yes, make some nice soup too - yes.</u>
960                        <u xml:id="q-c144e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="940">Would you have anything else as well?</u>
961                        <u xml:id="q-c244e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="941">No, we had afters seldom - just couldn't afford it - no.</u>
962                        <u xml:id="q-c344e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="942">Would you have any bread with the soup?</u>
963                        <u xml:id="q-c444e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="943">Yes, we'd have bread. Because those days you used to go to the bread - the baker's and get three penny worth of stale bread. What they call - if there was any there mind you - if you was - sometimes you were - they hadn't got it. The bread from day before.</u>
964                        <u xml:id="q-c544e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="944">Just as good?</u>
965                        <u xml:id="q-c644e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="945">Oh yes. And used to get it on King’s College Road. Well, if you couldn't get it there we had to have to race up to Pitsey Road - try the bakers there.</u>
966                        <u xml:id="q-c744e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="946">Did she cook vegetables?</u>
967                        <u xml:id="q-c844e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="947">Oh yes, yes. Potatoes or carrots. Of course those days you could get a penny worth of pot herbs.</u>
968                        <u xml:id="q-c944e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="948">To cook with the meat?</u>
969                        <u xml:id="q-ca44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="949">Yes. Bit of carrot and onion perhaps.</u>
970                        <u xml:id="q-cb44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="950">Did she ever manage to grow any vegetables?</u>
971                        <u xml:id="q-cc44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="951">Grow? Oh no, no, nothing whatever - no, no.</u>
972                        <u xml:id="q-cd44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="952">Did you ever keep anything like pigeons?</u>
973                        <u xml:id="q-ce44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="953">I used to keep pigeons and chickens - yes.</u>
974                        <u xml:id="q-cf44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="954">You had room for chickens?</u>
975                        <u xml:id="q-d044e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="955">Well, I had a place in the mews. It was an empty stable - well I had that and chickens - and pigeons I was always very fond of and I used to have arch up the side of the house and there you are.</u>
976                        <u xml:id="q-d144e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="956">You had rabbits did you?</u>
977                        <u xml:id="q-d244e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="957">Rabbits? No. No, I never cared about rabbits.</u>
978                        <u xml:id="q-d344e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="958">What did you keep the pigeons for - did you race them?</u>
979                        <u xml:id="q-d444e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="959">General - no, only just fancy - I just as pets, you know.</u>
980                        <u xml:id="q-d544e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="960">Did you ever eat them?</u>
981                        <u xml:id="q-d644e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="961">No, no.</u>
982                        <u xml:id="q-d744e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="962">And the chickens - did you eat them?</u>
983                        <u xml:id="q-d844e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="963">Oh yes, we used to eat the chickens - yes.</u>
984                        <u xml:id="q-d944e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="964">How many did you have?</u>
985                        <u xml:id="q-da44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="965">Oh, I couldn't tell you - I should - 30 or 40. Yes, but it cost me a lot to feed them you see because the horses were there and the horses with their corn and all that used to shake the bags and it didn't cost me nothing to kept them.</u>
986                        <u xml:id="q-db44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="966">When you ate them did you kill them yourself?</u>
987                        <u xml:id="q-dc44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="967">Yes, yes.</u>
988                        <u xml:id="q-dd44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="968">Did your mother prepare them?</u>
989                        <u xml:id="q-de44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="969">Mother prepared them. Plucked them and trussed them.</u>
990                        <u xml:id="q-df44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="970">Did you ever sell them or the eggs?</u>
991                        <u xml:id="q-e044e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="971">No.</u>
992                        <u xml:id="q-e144e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="972">Just for the family?</u>
993                        <u xml:id="q-e244e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="973">Family - yes, yes.</u>
994                        <u xml:id="q-e344e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="974">Must have been a big help to your mother?</u>
995                        <u xml:id="q-e444e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="975">It was help, yes, yes.</u>
996                        <u xml:id="q-e544e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="976">Did you have eggs quite often then in the family?</u>
997                        <u xml:id="q-e644e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="977">Oh yes, we had eggs. Of course you used to lose a good many but still we had - eggs those days were - were cheap - cheap - dirt cheap.</u>
998                        <u xml:id="q-e744e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="978">When you used to eat the eggs what meal would that be?</u>
999                        <u xml:id="q-e844e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="979">Breakfast time. We - they had one or if there was any for tea or mother'd make a custard perhaps.</u>
1000                        <u xml:id="q-e944e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="980">If you ate them how would she cook them?</u>
1001                        <u xml:id="q-ea44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="981">Boil them. Or perhaps fry them. All depends if she had any fat to fry with. Yes.</u>
1002                        <u xml:id="q-eb44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="982">Because everything was a struggle wasn't it?</u>
1003                        <u xml:id="q-ec44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="983">Oh yes, struggle the whole time.</u>
1004                        <u xml:id="q-ed44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="984">At tea time if you didn't have eggs what would you have - bread?</u>
1005                        <u xml:id="q-ee44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="985">Just bread - yes.</u>
1006                        <u xml:id="q-ef44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="986">With anything on?</u>
1007                        <u xml:id="q-f044e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="987">Bread and marg - yes. Perhaps as I say or dripping - mother'd make a bit of toast.</u>
1008                        <u xml:id="q-f144e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="988">Did you ever eat cheese?</u>
1009                        <u xml:id="q-f244e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="989">Er - well, yes but not a lot - no.</u>
1010                        <u xml:id="q-f344e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="990">Did you have any fish - haddock or kippers that kind of thing?</u>
1011                        <u xml:id="q-f444e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="991">Well, mother used to get a bit of fish at the shop - well, those days you bought what they call fish pieces - that's the only fish you - she could afford.</u>
1012                        <u xml:id="q-f544e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="992">That was the cheaper?</u>
1013                        <u xml:id="q-f644e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="993">Yes, yes.</u>
1014                        <u xml:id="q-f744e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="994">You had to know all these little dodges didn't you?</u>
1015                        <u xml:id="q-f844e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="995">Oh yes. You couldn't afford - you couldn't just go buy it - no.</u>
1016                        <u xml:id="q-f944e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="996">Must have been a lot of thought required?</u>
1017                        <u xml:id="q-fa44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="997">Oh yes, yes. Think what's your rent to be paid, insurance, clubs …</u>
1018                        <u xml:id="q-fb44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="998">She paid out for insurance too did she?</u>
1019                        <u xml:id="q-fc44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="999">Oh yes, she kept us insured. Had a - had a lot - I don't know - I don't know what they ….</u>
1020                        <u xml:id="q-fd44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1000">And into a funeral club at all?</u>
1021                        <u xml:id="q-fe44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1001">Club - no, no. She was well in with the undertaker 'cos she used to get a - apart from confinements they come to her if anybody died - and - she done all that work - yes. And that helped us along of course.</u>
1022                        <u xml:id="q-ff44e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1002">Did your father have different food from you?</u>
1023                        <u xml:id="q-0045e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1003">No, we all ate the same - oh yes, yes, made no difference.</u>
1024                        <u xml:id="q-0145e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1004">Did they ever say grace at meals?</u>
1025                        <u xml:id="q-0245e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1005">Yes, we had to say grace. Thank God for our good dinner and all that sort of thing.</u>
1026                        <u xml:id="q-0345e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1006">Just at dinner time?</u>
1027                        <u xml:id="q-0445e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1007">Yes.</u>
1028                        <u xml:id="q-0545e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1008">Who said it?</u>
1029                        <u xml:id="q-0645e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1009">We all had to say it.</u>
1030                        <u xml:id="q-0745e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1010">Together?</u>
1031                        <u xml:id="q-0845e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1011">Yes, and we weren't allowed to talk over the table - no.</u>
1032                        <u xml:id="q-0945e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1012">Not at all?</u>
1033                        <u xml:id="q-0a45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1013">Never. If we started father'd say - you know where you are. That was enough for us.</u>
1034                        <u xml:id="q-0b45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1014">Suppose you wanted the salt and you couldn't reach.</u>
1035                        <u xml:id="q-0c45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1015">That's right.</u>
1036                        <u xml:id="q-0d45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1016">Could you ask for it?</u>
1037                        <u xml:id="q-0e45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1017">Oh yes, you could ask for that - but just start talking …..</u>
1038                        <u xml:id="q-0f45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1018">Not general conversation?</u>
1039                        <u xml:id="q-1045e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1019">No.</u>
1040                        <u xml:id="q-1145e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1020">If you wanted some more and there was some more could you ask?</u>
1041                        <u xml:id="q-1245e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1021">Oh you could have it - oh yes, yes. But if you started talking ordinary conversation ….. And another thing father would say was - with - if we start talking on he'd say again - you know where you boys are. Yes dad. You been to work? Yes dad. Well, finish - you've done work - finish it. That's what he'd say.</u>
1042                        <u xml:id="q-1345e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1022">Just at meals he wouldn't want the conversation about work?</u>
1043                        <u xml:id="q-1445e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1023">That's right - yes, yes.</u>
1044                        <u xml:id="q-1545e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1024">And other times did he like you to talk?</u>
1045                        <u xml:id="q-1645e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1025">Oh yes, oh he would talk then, get away, but he used - it was always had manners to talk over the table - their idea.</u>
1046                        <u xml:id="q-1745e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1026">But with such a big family it would have been a noise wouldn't it?</u>
1047                        <u xml:id="q-1845e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1027">Oh yes. Yes, yes.</u>
1048                        <u xml:id="q-1945e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1028">Were they particular about things like how you sat in your chair?</u>
1049                        <u xml:id="q-1a45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1029">Oh yes, you had to sit right. And you had to hold your knife and fork right.</u>
1050                        <u xml:id="q-1b45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1030">In a certain way?</u>
1051                        <u xml:id="q-1c45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1031">Yes, yes.</u>
1052                        <u xml:id="q-1d45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1032">How did they like you to sit?</u>
1053                        <u xml:id="q-1e45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1033">Well, sit ordinary - sit comfortable, you know what I mean. You hadn't got to lounge down and you - you weren't allowed to do that.</u>
1054                        <u xml:id="q-1f45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1034">Could you bring a toy or a book or a paper to the table?</u>
1055                        <u xml:id="q-2045e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1035">No. No. We weren't allowed to read.</u>
1056                        <u xml:id="q-2145e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1036">Never?</u>
1057                        <u xml:id="q-2245e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1037">No, books - but not - we were never allowed to read a newspaper - in fact father couldn't read, mother used to read to him. Early days of course they - they never had schooling.</u>
1058                        <u xml:id="q-2345e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1038">What did she read to him?</u>
1059                        <u xml:id="q-2445e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1039">Newspaper - yes, yes.</u>
1060                        <u xml:id="q-2545e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1040">Regularly?</u>
1061                        <u xml:id="q-2645e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1041">Yes. The Sunday paper - not in the week, because we was - money couldn't go to it.</u>
1062                        <u xml:id="q-2745e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1042">They just had a Sunday paper did they?</u>
1063                        <u xml:id="q-2845e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1043">Yes, yes.</u>
1064                        <u xml:id="q-2945e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1044">Do you remember which it was?</u>
1065                        <u xml:id="q-2a45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1045">I think - I think the News of the World - yes.</u>
1066                        <u xml:id="q-2b45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1046">If your mother gave you some food and you left any - I don't suppose that happened very often did it?</u>
1067                        <u xml:id="q-2c45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1047">No, no.</u>
1068                        <u xml:id="q-2d45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1048">Suppose you did what would she say?</u>
1069                        <u xml:id="q-2e45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1049">Well, she - she'd ask you what was wrong and if it was - they wouldn't force you to eat it - if they found you'd had enough but that wasn't thrown away mind you. It was mixed up for next day. Yes. Nothing was wasted because they couldn't afford it, no.</u>
1070                        <u xml:id="q-2f45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1050">You mean even what was left on your plates was saved?</u>
1071                        <u xml:id="q-3045e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1051">Yes. Yes. Providing it was saveable - yes.</u>
1072                        <u xml:id="q-3145e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1052">Were you expected if she served something up - were you expected to eat a bit of everything?</u>
1073                        <u xml:id="q-3245e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1053">Yes.</u>
1074                        <u xml:id="q-3345e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1054">Could you pick and choose?</u>
1075                        <u xml:id="q-3445e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1055">Oh no, you had to have what you was given.</u>
1076                        <u xml:id="q-3545e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1056">What she wanted you to have?</u>
1077                        <u xml:id="q-3645e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1057">Yes.</u>
1078                        <u xml:id="q-3745e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1058">How did she serve up the meal in those days - would she serve straight from the pots onto the plates?</u>
1079                        <u xml:id="q-3845e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1059">Yes, straight from the pot - yes.</u>
1080                        <u xml:id="q-3945e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1060">Never into dishes?</u>
1081                        <u xml:id="q-3a45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1061">No, no, no. No.</u>
1082                        <u xml:id="q-3b45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1062">Did you always have the same regular place that you sat?</u>
1083                        <u xml:id="q-3c45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1063">No, it didn't matter where you sat as long as you ate, you know, you was there.</u>
1084                        <u xml:id="q-3d45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1064">Were people served in a certain order - was your father for example served first?</u>
1085                        <u xml:id="q-3e45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1065">Father was served first - oh yes, yes. Then mother would go round you know, whichever …...</u>
1086                        <u xml:id="q-3f45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1066">The way you were sitting - not in order of your ages?</u>
1087                        <u xml:id="q-4045e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1067">Yes - no, no, no, no.</u>
1088                        <u xml:id="q-4145e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1068">When you wanted to get down from the table?</u>
1089                        <u xml:id="q-4245e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1069">We'd ask - oh yes.</u>
1090                        <u xml:id="q-4345e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1070">Did you have to wait until everyone had finished?</u>
1091                        <u xml:id="q-4445e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1071">Oh yes, wait 'til we'd all finished.</u>
1092                        <u xml:id="q-4545e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1072">All get down together?</u>
1093                        <u xml:id="q-4645e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1073">Yes, yes. Yes.</u>
1094                        <u xml:id="q-4745e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1074">When you started did you all start together?</u>
1095                        <u xml:id="q-4845e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1075">Yes. Yes, all started together.</u>
1096                        <u xml:id="q-4945e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1076">When there were younger brothers and sisters - little babies - were they fed at the same time?</u>
1097                        <u xml:id="q-4a45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1077">Same time - yes.</u>
1098                        <u xml:id="q-4b45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1078">How did your mother manage?</u>
1099                        <u xml:id="q-4c45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1079">Well, they sat on the floor really.</u>
1100                        <u xml:id="q-4d45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1080">And she'd feed them a bit of something would she?</u>
1101                        <u xml:id="q-4e45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1081">Yes, yes.</u>
1102                        <u xml:id="q-4f45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1082">Was your mother an easy person to talk to?</u>
1103                        <u xml:id="q-5045e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1083">Oh yes, got along very nicely everybody did - yes. She was all thoroughly known - yes.</u>
1104                        <u xml:id="q-5145e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1084">And you felt close to her yourself did you?</u>
1105                        <u xml:id="q-5245e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1085">Oh yes, yes. Oh yes, we do, yes, yes.</u>
1106                        <u xml:id="q-5345e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1086">If you had a worry who would you take it to?</u>
1107                        <u xml:id="q-5445e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1087">Well, mother - yes.</u>
1108                        <u xml:id="q-5545e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1088">Were you close to your father to …</u>
1109                        <u xml:id="q-5645e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1089">Yes</u>
1110                        <u xml:id="q-5745e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1090">Or more close to your mother?</u>
1111                        <u xml:id="q-5845e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1091">He was - well both really - they were both good. And they never knocked us about - no, no. Word of the tongue was enough from father - yes. I only remember my father hitting me once - and we was at the table, as I said we weren't allowed to talk, and my brother Sid - dead and gone - I don't know something arose and we started and I went a word too far and I can always remember it - my father giving me a clout and he gave me a clout. Now, he says, you'll remember that won't you? And I have remembered it - yes. Mind you it wasn't - he didn't knock us about ordinary but I did - I went a bit too far.</u>
1112                        <u xml:id="q-5945e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1092">So he wanted to teach you a lesson?</u>
1113                        <u xml:id="q-5a45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1093">Yes. And he did too.</u>
1114                        <u xml:id="q-5b45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1094">But you never had a beating?</u>
1115                        <u xml:id="q-5c45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1095">No, no, no.</u>
1116                        <u xml:id="q-5d45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1096">Were you given any other punishments that you remember?</u>
1117                        <u xml:id="q-5e45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1097">No, no, not as I know.</u>
1118                        <u xml:id="q-5f45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1098">What about being sent to bed - that kind of thing - were you sent to bed early or anything?</u>
1119                        <u xml:id="q-6045e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1099">Well, no, we'd be told to go in the other room - they'd be upstairs.</u>
1120                        <u xml:id="q-6145e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1100">But you wouldn't have to go to bed?</u>
1121                        <u xml:id="q-6245e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1101">No, no. Not if it wasn't bed time.</u>
1122                        <u xml:id="q-6345e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1102">What do you think your parents felt were the important things in life to bring their children up to be and that sort of thing?</u>
1123                        <u xml:id="q-6445e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1103">Well, I don't know that. There's one thing about - we was always taught to be honest - yes. Honest and be truthful. And we were taught that.</u>
1124                        <u xml:id="q-6545e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1104">Would you say that those ideas about being honest and truthful that you got more from your mother or from your father or from both?</u>
1125                        <u xml:id="q-6645e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1105">From both - yes, yes.</u>
1126                        <u xml:id="q-6745e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1106">You think they had an equal part?</u>
1127                        <u xml:id="q-6845e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1107">Yes, exactly - yes, yes.</u>
1128                        <u xml:id="q-6945e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1108">Were there any things you did together as a family - going out anywhere?</u>
1129                        <u xml:id="q-6a45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1109">Occasionally - father would take us out to Northwich providing his work had allowed him to get a shilling or two together and he used to - in the summer - that was our one day - only one day - we'd all go out to Northwood - you know Northwood do you? Well, it's on the Metropolitan line - not so wonderful far out but it was all country, beautiful country, but of course now it's built on like everywhere else - and then we'd go and pick flowers - wild - cowslips, primroses and all that sort of thing.</u>
1130                        <u xml:id="q-6b45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1110">Did your mother go too?</u>
1131                        <u xml:id="q-6c45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1111">Yes, yes, oh yes.</u>
1132                        <u xml:id="q-6d45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1112">Did your mother have any other outings at all?</u>
1133                        <u xml:id="q-6e45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1113">No. Oh, if she had a chance and there was a mothers’ meeting - the - Mission Hall she might go then providing she hadn't got any work in her confinement business.</u>
1134                        <u xml:id="q-6f45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1114">But of course you never know when that's going to happen do you?</u>
1135                        <u xml:id="q-7045e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1115">No, no - that's right.</u>
1136                        <u xml:id="q-7145e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1116">Did anyone in the family play a musical instrument or sing or anything like that?</u>
1137                        <u xml:id="q-7245e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1117">No, no. Never had, no, no. Oh I could play a mouth organ - I used to play that.</u>
1138                        <u xml:id="q-7345e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1118">When would you play?</u>
1139                        <u xml:id="q-7445e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1119">Well, any time in doors. I can play one now really. Sometimes my granddaughters over Wembley they'll ask me to play a mouth organ. But now of course they gone of - it's wireless, wireless and television - yes. And of course their songs I don't know. Or they don't know mine come to that.</u>
1140                        <u xml:id="q-7545e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1120">If you had a birthday was there anything special about it?</u>
1141                        <u xml:id="q-7645e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1121">No, no, no. Just couldn't afford it - no.</u>
1142                        <u xml:id="q-7745e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1122">Not a present from anybody?</u>
1143                        <u xml:id="q-7845e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1123">No, no.</u>
1144                        <u xml:id="q-7945e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1124">And nobody extra invited in for tea or anything?</u>
1145                        <u xml:id="q-7a45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1125">No.</u>
1146                        <u xml:id="q-7b45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1126">What about Christmas - did anything make that a different day for you?</u>
1147                        <u xml:id="q-7c45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1127">Well, if mother could afford - of course we never got Christmas boxes - if mother could afford - mother always made her Christmas puddings - she did do that and she'd buy whatever she could afford in the way of meat.</u>
1148                        <u xml:id="q-7d45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1128">What for example might she manage?</u>
1149                        <u xml:id="q-7e45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1129">Well - H - bone of beef or otherwise flank of beef - yes. If her pocket didn't reach H-bone well it had to be flank of beef - yes.</u>
1150                        <u xml:id="q-7f45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1130">And vegetable with it?</u>
1151                        <u xml:id="q-8045e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1131">Oh yes, vegetables - potatoes and greens and parsnips.</u>
1152                        <u xml:id="q-8145e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1132">And would you have that mid-day?</u>
1153                        <u xml:id="q-8245e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1133">Mid-day, yes, yes.</u>
1154                        <u xml:id="q-8345e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1134">And anything special to drink with it?</u>
1155                        <u xml:id="q-8445e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1135">No, no.</u>
1156                        <u xml:id="q-8545e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1136">Nothing for your mother and father?</u>
1157                        <u xml:id="q-8645e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1137">No.</u>
1158                        <u xml:id="q-8745e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1138">Did you ever have beer at all in the home?</u>
1159                        <u xml:id="q-8845e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1139">Well he used to have - beer in the house? No, mother'd - mother would have her glass of what they used to call porter.</u>
1160                        <u xml:id="q-8945e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1140">Stout?</u>
1161                        <u xml:id="q-8a45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1141">Yes.</u>
1162                        <u xml:id="q-8b45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1142">And she'd go to the pub for that?-</u>
1163                        <u xml:id="q-8c45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1143">No, one of the - one of us used to have to go. Or go up to the yard and we'd see somebody that'd go and get it for us.</u>
1164                        <u xml:id="q-8d45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1144">You didn't go into the pub you mean?</u>
1165                        <u xml:id="q-8e45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1145">No, no.</u>
1166                        <u xml:id="q-8f45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1146">Never, not even with your father?</u>
1167                        <u xml:id="q-9045e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1147">Not when we were children - children - wouldn't be just on our own sort of thing then but seldom - I don't say I never go in a public house but - very, very seldom.</u>
1168                        <u xml:id="q-9145e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1148">Can you ever remember when you were a child a funeral in the family?</u>
1169                        <u xml:id="q-9245e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1149">Er - no, I couldn't - no, I can't - no.</u>
1170                        <u xml:id="q-9345e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1150">Did your parents play any games with you?</u>
1171                        <u xml:id="q-9445e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1151">No, no time really. We used to have - we had to make our own games.</u>
1172                        <u xml:id="q-9545e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1152">There were lots of you weren't there - I wondered if you played a game of cards or anything like that?</u>
1173                        <u xml:id="q-9645e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1153">No, no, no, no. Mother wouldn't have a card in the house, no fear.</u>
1174                        <u xml:id="q-9745e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1154">Because they couldn't afford it or because they didn't like cards?</u>
1175                        <u xml:id="q-9845e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1155">No, that's right. Didn't like cards. You know if I - well, I suppose they thought as how brings us up to gambling - but we were never allowed a card in the house - no. Or dominoes.</u>
1176                        <u xml:id="q-9945e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1156">Did your father bet at all?</u>
1177                        <u xml:id="q-9a45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1157">No. No.</u>
1178                        <u xml:id="q-9b45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1158">They were against gambling?</u>
1179                        <u xml:id="q-9c45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1159">Yes. No, see father couldn't read and of course he wouldn't understand - 'course betting those days weren't like it is now - hadn't got to that stage.</u>
1180                        <u xml:id="q-9d45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1160">And they had no dominoes either?</u>
1181                        <u xml:id="q-9e45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1161">No.</u>
1182                        <u xml:id="q-9f45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1162">Did they ever take you out visiting relations?</u>
1183                        <u xml:id="q-a045e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1163">No, well, not really. I can remember once going down to Kent with me father but I've only just remembered and I was young and he went ….</u>
1184                        <u xml:id="q-a145e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1164">Quite a little boy?</u>
1185                        <u xml:id="q-a245e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1165">Yes, and father went down to see his mother - but I - all I can say I've just remembered -</u>
1186                        <u xml:id="q-a345e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1166">And that was only once?</u>
1187                        <u xml:id="q-a445e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1167">Only once.</u>
1188                        <u xml:id="q-a545e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1168">Did they ever manage your parents to get down to see their families?</u>
1189                        <u xml:id="q-a645e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1169">No, no, they couldn't afford it - no.</u>
1190                        <u xml:id="q-a745e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1170">And did the families come and see them?</u>
1191                        <u xml:id="q-a845e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1171">Sometimes my uncle'd come up from Kent, 'course they're all as you know dead and gone.</u>
1192                        <u xml:id="q-a945e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1172">When your uncle came would he be able to stop the night?</u>
1193                        <u xml:id="q-aa45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1173">No, well we'd have had nowhere to put him you see - be up in the morning and away again at night you see.</u>
1194                        <u xml:id="q-ab45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1174">Did you ever manage to go out on a Bank Holiday or anything of that?</u>
1195                        <u xml:id="q-ac45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1175">Only Hampstead Heath.</u>
1196                        <u xml:id="q-ad45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1176">You went up there for the fair you mean?</u>
1197                        <u xml:id="q-ae45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1177">Yes, yes.</u>
1198                        <u xml:id="q-af45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1178">Easter was it then?</u>
1199                        <u xml:id="q-b045e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1179">Ham - we always</u>
1200                        <u xml:id="q-b145e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1180">And did you go every year up Hampstead Heath?</u>
1201                        <u xml:id="q-b245e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1181">No, it all depends how your feel - sometimes you was too tired - after a full day at work - yes.</u>
1202                        <u xml:id="q-b345e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1182">And I don't suppose you ever managed to go away for a holiday?</u>
1203                        <u xml:id="q-b445e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1183">Oh no, oh no.</u>
1204                        <u xml:id="q-b545e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1184">I think you said you used to go to St Paul’s Church?</u>
1205                        <u xml:id="q-b645e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1185">Yes.</u>
1206                        <u xml:id="q-b745e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1186">And there was also the Band of Hope - Mr Sammons then?</u>
1207                        <u xml:id="q-b845e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1187">Yes.</u>
1208                        <u xml:id="q-b945e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1188">Was that connected with the church?</u>
1209                        <u xml:id="q-ba45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1189">None - nothing whatever.</u>
1210                        <u xml:id="q-bb45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1190">It was separate?</u>
1211                        <u xml:id="q-bc45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1191">Different - yes, yes.</u>
1212                        <u xml:id="q-bd45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1192">Was it just his own organisation?</u>
1213                        <u xml:id="q-be45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1193">Yes, yes.</u>
1214                        <u xml:id="q-bf45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1194">Were there any social activities connected with the church?</u>
1215                        <u xml:id="q-c045e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1195">Er - in what way do you mean?</u>
1216                        <u xml:id="q-c145e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1196">Things like a social or a dance or a club meeting with games?</u>
1217                        <u xml:id="q-c245e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1197">No, nothing no, no, no.</u>
1218                        <u xml:id="q-c345e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1198">Any evening classes or anything of that sort?</u>
1219                        <u xml:id="q-c445e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1199">There was evening classes but we never went. No.</u>
1220                        <u xml:id="q-c545e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1200">Would you have liked to have gone?</u>
1221                        <u xml:id="q-c645e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1201">Well - yes and no. As I say time you'd been to work in the morning and that we'd had enough - yes.</u>
1222                        <u xml:id="q-c745e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1202">It was long hours wasn't it?</u>
1223                        <u xml:id="q-c845e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1203">Yes.</u>
1224                        <u xml:id="q-c945e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1204">Was Saturday different from the other days when you were a schoolboy?</u>
1225                        <u xml:id="q-ca45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1205">Saturday - of course we never had no schooling Saturday. No.</u>
1226                        <u xml:id="q-cb45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1206">What did you do on a Saturday?</u>
1227                        <u xml:id="q-cc45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1207">Well, find a job somewhere. Yes.</u>
1228                        <u xml:id="q-cd45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1208">Would it be another separate job from your job with the round?</u>
1229                        <u xml:id="q-ce45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1209">Yes, from the milk job. If you did a job in the daytime during Saturday - perhaps go and help the baker on his round or something like that or perhaps a milkman did want a boy to help him through the day - used to go and do that.</u>
1230                        <u xml:id="q-cf45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1210">But the job where you might clean the boots and the knives?</u>
1231                        <u xml:id="q-d045e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1211">Oh that was in the evening.</u>
1232                        <u xml:id="q-d145e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1212">That would be on Saturday evening?</u>
1233                        <u xml:id="q-d245e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1213">Yes.</u>
1234                        <u xml:id="q-d345e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1214">You wouldn't be doing anything in the house all day?</u>
1235                        <u xml:id="q-d445e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1215">Oh no, no, no, no.</u>
1236                        <u xml:id="q-d545e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1216">Did you ever at any time have 3 part time jobs?</u>
1237                        <u xml:id="q-d645e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1217">No, I had me morning job and the evening job. And Saturday used to drop in a little job at - going anywhere.</u>
1238                        <u xml:id="q-d745e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1218">Just casual that one?</u>
1239                        <u xml:id="q-d845e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1219">Yes, yes, oh yes.</u>
1240                        <u xml:id="q-d945e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1220">Not regular?</u>
1241                        <u xml:id="q-da45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1221">Oh no, no, no.</u>
1242                        <u xml:id="q-db45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1222">You worked hard didn't you?</u>
1243                        <u xml:id="q-dc45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1223">We had to.</u>
1244                        <u xml:id="q-dd45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1224">Did the church itself - I know your Band of Hope wasn't connected with the church -</u>
1245                        <u xml:id="q-de45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1225">No.</u>
1246                        <u xml:id="q-df45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1226">But did the church have a temperance club of any kind?</u>
1247                        <u xml:id="q-e045e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1227">I think they in Winchester Road in St Paul’s school. Yes.</u>
1248                        <u xml:id="q-e145e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1228">But you preferred the other one did you?</u>
1249                        <u xml:id="q-e245e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1229">Er - that's - yes.</u>
1250                        <u xml:id="q-e345e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1230">Why was that?</u>
1251                        <u xml:id="q-e445e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1231">Heathrow school. Well, the schoolmaster there was very - well, he was spiteful - really spiteful. There was one - Mr Marshall - if you got the cane there you got the cane - cut you across the backside or anywhere.</u>
1252                        <u xml:id="q-e545e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1232">I think you said that you broke away from that school?</u>
1253                        <u xml:id="q-e645e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1233">I broke - I went to All Saints school.</u>
1254                        <u xml:id="q-e745e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1234">How did you leave the school then?</u>
1255                        <u xml:id="q-e845e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1235">Oh you just - you just went to see if you could get in the other school and you let them know you were going you see.</u>
1256                        <u xml:id="q-e945e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1236">Did you do that of your own accord?</u>
1257                        <u xml:id="q-ea45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1237">Mother took me.</u>
1258                        <u xml:id="q-eb45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1238">You told your mother did you?</u>
1259                        <u xml:id="q-ec45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1239">Yes. Well, Franklin Marshall of St Paul’s used to make you nervous - you were frightened to go to school - yes.</u>
1260                        <u xml:id="q-ed45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1240">So you told your mother?</u>
1261                        <u xml:id="q-ee45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1241">Yes.</u>
1262                        <u xml:id="q-ef45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1242">And what did she do?</u>
1263                        <u xml:id="q-f045e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1243">Of course father went up there and give him a good chastising you know.</u>
1264                        <u xml:id="q-f145e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1244">He did?</u>
1265                        <u xml:id="q-f245e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1245">Oh yes.</u>
1266                        <u xml:id="q-f345e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1246">To Mr Marshall?</u>
1267                        <u xml:id="q-f445e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1247">Yes. I've seen pair up there - I've seen fights up there with the schoolmasters - fathers come up - oh he was a vicious man - yes.</u>
1268                        <u xml:id="q-f545e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1248">Actual fisticuffs you mean?</u>
1269                        <u xml:id="q-f645e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1249">Yes. Yes.</u>
1270                        <u xml:id="q-f745e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1250">Because they were upset at the way their children were treated?</u>
1271                        <u xml:id="q-f845e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1251">Yes. Yes.</u>
1272                        <u xml:id="q-f945e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1252">What about the girls - was it a mixed school?</u>
1273                        <u xml:id="q-fa45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1253">No, just schoolgirls - infants school - and the boys. Yes.</u>
1274                        <u xml:id="q-fb45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1254">He wasn't in charge of the girls?</u>
1275                        <u xml:id="q-fc45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1255">No, no, no.</u>
1276                        <u xml:id="q-fd45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1256">And so they took you at All Souls school?</u>
1277                        <u xml:id="q-fe45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1257">Then I went to All Souls school at Fairhazel Gardens - and I finished up there.</u>
1278                        <u xml:id="q-ff45e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1258">How did you feel about that school?</u>
1279                        <u xml:id="q-0046e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1259">I was very bashful altogether - they were women teachers - yes.</u>
1280                        <u xml:id="q-0146e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1260">Did you ever get caned there?</u>
1281                        <u xml:id="q-0246e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1261">Not really - no, no.</u>
1282                        <u xml:id="q-0346e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1262">How did you feel about the teachers there - the women teachers?</u>
1283                        <u xml:id="q-0446e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1263">Oh they were very nice really - yes. Mind you had to behave and do as you was told but they were very good.</u>
1284                        <u xml:id="q-0546e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1264">What did the teachers think were important in life?</u>
1285                        <u xml:id="q-0646e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1265">Well, I - I think geography was the main ….</u>
1286                        <u xml:id="q-0746e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1266">And were they fussy about being punctual and manners and the way you spoke?</u>
1287                        <u xml:id="q-0846e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1267">Yes, you had - you had to be good mannered and you had to speak properly. If you left an h out well you knew about it.</u>
1288                        <u xml:id="q-0946e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1268">They worried about that sort of thing?</u>
1289                        <u xml:id="q-0a46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1269">Yes. Yes.</u>
1290                        <u xml:id="q-0b46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1270">Were your parents interested in your school work?</u>
1291                        <u xml:id="q-0c46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1271">Oh yes, they were very good. They see that we done our schooling as we should do.</u>
1292                        <u xml:id="q-0d46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1272">When you went to the Fairhazel Gardens school did your parents visit the school?</u>
1293                        <u xml:id="q-0e46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1273">No, no, no.</u>
1294                        <u xml:id="q-0f46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1274">At that school did the teachers treat all the children the same?</u>
1295                        <u xml:id="q-1046e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1275">Oh yes. Yes, we were all the same - though ….</u>
1296                        <u xml:id="q-1146e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1276">They didn't treat some children differently from others?</u>
1297                        <u xml:id="q-1246e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1277">No. There it was mixed boys and girls - yes.</u>
1298                        <u xml:id="q-1346e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1278">Were there any gangs in this school or cliques or groups?</u>
1299                        <u xml:id="q-1446e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1279">Not really - no. And that school was always strike me - we had a boy named Penny - we had a boy named Farthing. We had a boy named Small and a boy named Large - that always stuck in my mind - yes we did.</u>
1300                        <u xml:id="q-1546e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1280">Were there any children at that school who were out of things?</u>
1301                        <u xml:id="q-1646e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1281">No, no, we all - was all really good really you know mix in well.</u>
1302                        <u xml:id="q-1746e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1282">The children mixed in well?</u>
1303                        <u xml:id="q-1846e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1283">Yes, yes.</u>
1304                        <u xml:id="q-1946e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1284">Did you all come from the same kind of background?</u>
1305                        <u xml:id="q-1a46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1285">Yes. Yes, yes.</u>
1306                        <u xml:id="q-1b46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1286">Were there any - say trades peoples’ children - there?</u>
1307                        <u xml:id="q-1c46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1287">No, I don't think there was really.</u>
1308                        <u xml:id="q-1d46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1288">They were all from families having a struggle?</u>
1309                        <u xml:id="q-1e46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1289">Yes, yes. They were all ordinary sort of children - not from shops as you say or - or trades people.</u>
1310                        <u xml:id="q-1f46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1290">Did you have any regrets about your education in later life?</u>
1311                        <u xml:id="q-2046e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1291">Oh not really I don't think - no.</u>
1312                        <u xml:id="q-2146e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1292">Do you think you benefited from attending school? Some people think it's a waste of time.</u>
1313                        <u xml:id="q-2246e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1293">Oh no, you benefit because you want to learn and you want to read and write and wanted to be able to add up or all that sort of thing.</u>
1314                        <u xml:id="q-2346e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1294">So you think you benefited?</u>
1315                        <u xml:id="q-2446e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1295">Oh yes. Yes.</u>
1316                        <u xml:id="q-2546e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1296">Would you have stayed on longer if you could have stayed on?</u>
1317                        <u xml:id="q-2646e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1297">No, I would - our parents couldn't afford that you see we had to - when we was fourteen - we left and had to find a job.</u>
1318                        <u xml:id="q-2746e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1298">Did you have any part time education afterwards?</u>
1319                        <u xml:id="q-2846e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1299">No.</u>
1320                        <u xml:id="q-2946e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1300">Your first full time job was a grocer’s assistant?</u>
1321                        <u xml:id="q-2a46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1301">Yes, yes.</u>
1322                        <u xml:id="q-2b46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1302">Then you were a butcher?</u>
1323                        <u xml:id="q-2c46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1303">Yes.</u>
1324                        <u xml:id="q-2d46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1304">And then a porter?</u>
1325                        <u xml:id="q-2e46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1305">Porter - yes.</u>
1326                        <u xml:id="q-2f46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1306">And what did you do after you were a porter - did you continue that all your life?</u>
1327                        <u xml:id="q-3046e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1307">Continued that all my …</u>
1328                        <u xml:id="q-3146e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1308">That's what you did 'til you retired?</u>
1329                        <u xml:id="q-3246e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1309">Yes. Yes.</u>
1330                        <u xml:id="q-3346e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1310">Did the hours get shorter afterwards? Because you worked terribly long hours didn't you?</u>
1331                        <u xml:id="q-3446e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1311">Yes - well, they didn't get no shorter - no, you done a full days work - yes.</u>
1332                        <u xml:id="q-3546e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1312">When you did the milk round did you ever do that as a full time job?</u>
1333                        <u xml:id="q-3646e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1313">No, not all day long - no.</u>
1334                        <u xml:id="q-3746e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1314">At one job you got about 12 shillings a week?</u>
1335                        <u xml:id="q-3846e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1315">Week.</u>
1336                        <u xml:id="q-3946e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1316">What job was that?</u>
1337                        <u xml:id="q-3a46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1317">I'm trying to think of that.</u>
1338                        <u xml:id="q-3b46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1318">You wouldn't have got that with the milk?</u>
1339                        <u xml:id="q-3c46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1319">Oh lor' no. No.</u>
1340                        <u xml:id="q-3d46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1320">That would have been much less I suppose?</u>
1341                        <u xml:id="q-3e46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1321">Yes, that's right.</u>
1342                        <u xml:id="q-3f46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1322">Perhaps it was the grocers job was it?</u>
1343                        <u xml:id="q-4046e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1323">I - I - may have been. My first job was a milk job again then after I left school in Belsize Lane.</u>
1344                        <u xml:id="q-4146e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1324">Your first job after you left school was the milk job?</u>
1345                        <u xml:id="q-4246e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1325">Yes, yes, I think that must have been where I got the 12 shillings.</u>
1346                        <u xml:id="q-4346e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1326">What were the people like to work for in those days?</u>
1347                        <u xml:id="q-4446e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1327">Very nice they were. They were Scots people but very, very nice.</u>
1348                        <u xml:id="q-4546e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1328">What were your hours there in the milk job?</u>
1349                        <u xml:id="q-4646e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1329">Well, we used to have to get there at half past 5 in the morning.</u>
1350                        <u xml:id="q-4746e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1330">Winter too?</u>
1351                        <u xml:id="q-4846e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1331">Winter as well - yes.</u>
1352                        <u xml:id="q-4946e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1332">And what time did you knock off?</u>
1353                        <u xml:id="q-4a46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1333">Er - that all depends what the weather was - was 5 o'clock at night. Yes.</u>
1354                        <u xml:id="q-4b46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1334">And half day?</u>
1355                        <u xml:id="q-4c46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1335">No, no half - there was no such things as half days then.</u>
1356                        <u xml:id="q-4d46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1336">Did you get Sunday off or did you work on Sundays?</u>
1357                        <u xml:id="q-4e46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1337">Work Sundays - every day - every day.</u>
1358                        <u xml:id="q-4f46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1338">Saturday the whole day too?</u>
1359                        <u xml:id="q-5046e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1339">No, Sunday up to about mid-day - yes.</u>
1360                        <u xml:id="q-5146e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1340">Did you get anything extra?</u>
1361                        <u xml:id="q-5246e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1341">No.</u>
1362                        <u xml:id="q-5346e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1342">And what did you do for your dinner - how did you manage for your dinner?</u>
1363                        <u xml:id="q-5446e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1343">On Sunday?</u>
1364                        <u xml:id="q-5546e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1344">No, in the week - did you take food with you?</u>
1365                        <u xml:id="q-5646e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1345">We used to take a bit of something with you if mother - well we had something - that's all I can say you know - yes.</u>
1366                        <u xml:id="q-5746e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1346">When you were in the butchers job did you take something with you then too?</u>
1367                        <u xml:id="q-5846e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1347">No, I was able to get home - yes.</u>
1368                        <u xml:id="q-5946e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1348">The butcher would sometimes tell you to work on Saturday or something like that?</u>
1369                        <u xml:id="q-5a46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1349">We'd work on Sun - Saturday. We used to work on Saturday at the butchers in King’s College Road - come down Adelaide Road - I used to go to market - wed come Adelaide Road at half past 3 in the morning and on Saturday in particular I'm going now - we'd work until midnight Saturday night.</u>
1370                        <u xml:id="q-5b46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1350">Was that when you were the porter?</u>
1371                        <u xml:id="q-5c46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1351">Yes.</u>
1372                        <u xml:id="q-5d46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1352">Not the butchers job?</u>
1373                        <u xml:id="q-5e46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1353">In the butchers job - yes.</u>
1374                        <u xml:id="q-5f46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1354">But the portering was different?</u>
1375                        <u xml:id="q-6046e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1355">Oh yes, yes, different altogether - yes.</u>
1376                        <u xml:id="q-6146e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1356">But was that the long hours too?</u>
1377                        <u xml:id="q-6246e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1357">No, not such long hours. No, no, no.</u>
1378                        <u xml:id="q-6346e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1358">It was the butchers job was the longest hours?</u>
1379                        <u xml:id="q-6446e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1359">Was the longest - oh yes. 'Cos those days it was - you did some work - yes.</u>
1380                        <u xml:id="q-6546e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1360">What were the butchers like?</u>
1381                        <u xml:id="q-6646e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1361">They - very decent to work for but you never got much money. We used to have to buy our own smocks and aprons those days, but you couldn't buy them, they used to buy them for you and stop a shilling or 2 shillings a week out of your money.</u>
1382                        <u xml:id="q-6746e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1362">Did you feel in those days that there was a division of interest - a sort of conflict - between workers and employers?</u>
1383                        <u xml:id="q-6846e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1363">No, we were all pretty well equal.</u>
1384                        <u xml:id="q-6946e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1364">You felt that?</u>
1385                        <u xml:id="q-6a46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1365">Oh - yes.</u>
1386                        <u xml:id="q-6b46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1366">Did you ever belong to a trade union or anything?</u>
1387                        <u xml:id="q-6c46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1367">No. No.</u>
1388                        <u xml:id="q-6d46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1368">Never did?</u>
1389                        <u xml:id="q-6e46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1369">No.</u>
1390                        <u xml:id="q-6f46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1370">Do you think working full time changed your attitude to life?</u>
1391                        <u xml:id="q-7046e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1371">No, I don't think so. I never felt any worse for it - no, no. Well, it was so that it came natural - you'd do - you'd - got to do it you see.</u>
1392                        <u xml:id="q-7146e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1372">And you were working from an early age weren't you?</u>
1393                        <u xml:id="q-7246e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1373">Yes.</u>
1394                        <u xml:id="q-7346e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1374">When you started to work full time did it make a change in your way you got on with your parents or brothers and sisters or anything?</u>
1395                        <u xml:id="q-7446e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1375">No, no, things went on just as usual you know - yes.</u>
1396                        <u xml:id="q-7546e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1376">You continued to live at home didn't you?</u>
1397                        <u xml:id="q-7646e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1377">Oh yes, yes.</u>
1398                        <u xml:id="q-7746e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1378">Did you continue to go to Sunday school?</u>
1399                        <u xml:id="q-7846e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1379">Not while I was working - no, we had to finish them. I couldn't do it.</u>
1400                        <u xml:id="q-7946e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1380">Because of the hours?</u>
1401                        <u xml:id="q-7a46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1381">Yes, that's right.</u>
1402                        <u xml:id="q-7b46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1382">So did you stop all your connection with the church then?</u>
1403                        <u xml:id="q-7c46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1383">Well, no, we kept in touch with the church. Mother wore - you used to what those days they'd have a visitor lady come round from the church see that things were going all right - yes.</u>
1404                        <u xml:id="q-7d46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1384">Would she come round?</u>
1405                        <u xml:id="q-7e46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1385">Oh yes.</u>
1406                        <u xml:id="q-7f46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1386">Did you meet her yourself?</u>
1407                        <u xml:id="q-8046e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1387">Used to see her - when we were at home we used to see her - yes.</u>
1408                        <u xml:id="q-8146e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1388">How did you feel about her coming round?</u>
1409                        <u xml:id="q-8246e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1389">Oh, didn't mind - no.</u>
1410                        <u xml:id="q-8346e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1390">But you weren't able to go to services if you'd wanted to?</u>
1411                        <u xml:id="q-8446e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1391">No, no.</u>
1412                        <u xml:id="q-8546e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1392">What about the Band of Hope - did you keep on with that?</u>
1413                        <u xml:id="q-8646e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1393">Well, kept on with that because that was only just across the mews you see. Yes.</u>
1414                        <u xml:id="q-8746e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1394">Did you ever take an interest in politics?</u>
1415                        <u xml:id="q-8846e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1395">No, no.</u>
1416                        <u xml:id="q-8946e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1396">And you said your father didn't read so did he not take an interest in politics?</u>
1417                        <u xml:id="q-8a46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1397">No.</u>
1418                        <u xml:id="q-8b46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1398">And your mother?</u>
1419                        <u xml:id="q-8c46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1399">No.</u>
1420                        <u xml:id="q-8d46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1400">Do you know if your father had views on politics though?</u>
1421                        <u xml:id="q-8e46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1401">No, I don't think so.</u>
1422                        <u xml:id="q-8f46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1402">Didn't discuss it?</u>
1423                        <u xml:id="q-9046e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1403">No. No.</u>
1424                        <u xml:id="q-9146e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1404">While you were at work did you make any new friends? Boyfriends or girlfriends?</u>
1425                        <u xml:id="q-9246e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1405">Oh yes, you used to meet - well as I say Tom, Dick and Harry, we used to you know</u>
1426                        <u xml:id="q-9346e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1406">You met new people through your work you mean?</u>
1427                        <u xml:id="q-9446e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1407">Yes, yes.</u>
1428                        <u xml:id="q-9546e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1408">Would you go out with your friends?</u>
1429                        <u xml:id="q-9646e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1409">Oh occasionally we'd go out for just a stroll somewhere or Primrose Hill cricketing or footballing but you - not often because you hadn't got that time.</u>
1430                        <u xml:id="q-9746e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1410">Did your parents like to know where you were when you went out?</u>
1431                        <u xml:id="q-9846e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1411">I used to tell them where we were going - yes.</u>
1432                        <u xml:id="q-9946e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="I" n="1412">Were you expected to?</u>
1433                        <u xml:id="q-9a46e1cb-7dfb-e211-b501-000bdb5cc6d5" who="R" n="1413">Yes, we - yes.</u>
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